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BoneFire
12 August 2011, 0213
With Chip's racing crew recently bumping the SWIGZ.COM Electric Superbike's hp up to 258 and making some other mods to the bike's wheelbase and aerodynamics, Chip seems poised to speed past 200 mph. Following is a portion of Chip's press release:


** MEDIA ALERT **

Chip Yates to Attempt Official FIM World Land Speed Records at BUB Motorcycle Speed Trials, Bonneville Salt Flats, Utah

August 27th – September 1st, 2011

Orange County, California, August 12, 2011-----American superbike rider and electric vehicle pioneer Chip Yates has entered the SWIGZ.COM Electric Superbike in its last official event of the team’s 2011 racing and technology demonstration campaign that has seen success in WERA Motorcycle Roadracing, the Mojave Mile Shootout, Fastrack Riders Auto Club Speedway, and the Pikes Peak International Hill Climb.

CHIP YATES: “The BUB FIM / AMA Speed Trials at Bonneville is a fitting final event for the fastest, most powerful, and most technically advanced electric superbike on the planet. I plan to go out in style and deliver the public some eye-watering results as a tribute to this incredible machine and the pride of American ingenuity that it represents.”

Yates will be attempting to set official FIM World Records on the Bonneville Salt Flats in Utah during race week, weather permitting. In the event of bad weather or catastrophic technical problems, the team will consider entering another, similar event to demonstrate top speed before retiring the superbike from active competition.



Entire press release can be read on Chip's website. (http://chipyates.com/bonneville)

Nuts & Volts
12 August 2011, 0552
Sweet jesus thats a ton of power! I am going to guess he will be able to get about 220mph before he runs out of torque to keep him going

Brute Force for the win :)

jazclrint
17 August 2011, 0602
Has he run yet? All I've seen is news about the Lightning.

Never mind, I didn't read the dates careful. How do you delete posts?

BoneFire
18 August 2011, 1332
From the looks of this recent picture of Chip (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/104018323418787841) doing some fiberglass work, I think he may be trying to streamline the tail of his bike.

http://i55.tinypic.com/30cnhb6.jpg

I remember he had problems with a high speed wobble at the Mojave mile shootout and he later tried adding an extended stablizing fin to the back.

http://i56.tinypic.com/xcu49s.jpg

Source (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/72381899414310912)

Hope he gets the aerodynamics right so that he can stay safe and have his absolute best run.

DaveAK
18 August 2011, 1345
Do you think he'll be able to go without the pizza box? He *only* needs enough battery for back to back runs. I wonder if he can configure the batteries such that he can improve the aerodynamics beyond just adding a tail.

DaveAK
18 August 2011, 1401
Oh, and any word on what "retiring the superbike from active competition" means? Is he working on a new bike? Going back to AMA Supersport? Taking up table tennis?

BoneFire
18 August 2011, 1415
From the looks of this pic (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/104018953742979072/photo/1), I think he's keeping the pizza box so he'll be able to claim the record for first pizza delivery bike to break 200 mph. ;)

http://i52.tinypic.com/2hr1lcj.jpg

Don't know what Chip has planned for next year, but I hope after his Bonneville BUB run some new sponsors might be able to pursuade him to keep developing and racing his emc.

gasnomore
18 August 2011, 1418
Mmmmmmmm 200MPH pizza...(THX Homer)

Nuts & Volts
18 August 2011, 1509
Dave, table tennis. It has pulled me away from doing a lot of great things in my life.

Also because he is only running a single series string of 1P batteries I dont believe he can lower the pack size and still get the speed/power he needs.

DaveAK
18 August 2011, 1513
Dave, table tennis. It has pulled me away from doing a lot of great things in my life.

Also because he is only running a single series string of 1P batteries I dont believe he can lower the pack size and still get the speed/power he needs.
That's what I thought.

(The batteries, not your slacking off to play table tennis. :))

electriKAT
18 August 2011, 1521
I think he's keeping the pizza box so he'll be able to claim the record for first pizza delivery bike to break 200 mph. ;)

30 minutes or less? Try 30 *seconds* or less!

BoneFire
19 August 2011, 1226
A few more pics of the new tail taking shape.

http://i52.tinypic.com/2iay6tg.jpg http://i52.tinypic.com/6sgm68.jpg

Full gallery of pics here. (http://www.facebook.com/#!/media/set/?set=a.2181721956991.117099.1665217309&type=1)

Here's a comment from Chip about Lightning's LSR of 206.079 mph earlier this week:


That is an awesome speed! I think we can beat it but we are hard at work right now - our UQM Motor is better and making more power I believe, but our aerodynamics are significantly worse than Lightning...it will be a really good and interesting fight!

Source (http://www.facebook.com/#!/profile.php?id=1665217309)

Wonder if he feels the same way since Lightning has raised the record to 215.907 mph?

According to Gauge Magazine (http://gaugemagazine.com/article/chip-yates-to-show-258-hp-electric-superbike/), we'll get to see Chip's completed fairings at Infineon Raceway's "Accelerating Sustainabie Performance Summit" (http://acceleratingsustainableperformance.com/2011-summit/) on the 25th.

DaveAK
19 August 2011, 1331
I think this is what makes it all the more interesting. I don't think there's much doubt that Chip has the most powerful motor out there, (at least no one has quoted HP numbers as high as Chip - and no one seems to dispute his claims), so it comes down to power vs. aero.

BoneFire
19 August 2011, 1509
When Chip's bike was at 240 hp he had a dyno run (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/03/watch-chip-yates-hit-227mph/), without aerodynamic drag, of 227 mph. Haven't seen any new top-end dyno numbers after bumping up the hp to 258.

Anyone seen new data or have a formula for this?

Nuts & Volts
19 August 2011, 1535
To be honest I just believe that Chip is changing some software in the controller in order to increase current allowed through the motor. Thus he has more torque at a higher RPM which is more peak power like he claims. He just needs to increase his cooling system a little bit to handle this increase in motor and controller heat.

Actually I bet the controller and motor can handle the heat for the 2-4 minutes he is pushing the system on the salt flats

A-Bomb
19 August 2011, 1553
Lightning has raised the record to 215.907 mph

Is this true? If so, when did this happen? A quick google search isn't giving me anything yet.

teddillard
19 August 2011, 1600
yep: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/lightning-motorcycles-land-speed-record-bonneville-215-mph/

Lawlessind
19 August 2011, 1925
With all due respect the GE motor in our "Rocket" Drag Bike puts out well over 750 HP on a consistent basis, roughly 3 times the 250 numbers quoted here.

Shawn Lawless

Skeezmour
19 August 2011, 1935
Powered by the same line of controllers going in my bike :)

Shawn how long till we get you out on the sand?

Awesome stuff and can't wait to see the times posted here in the next few years....

DaveAK
19 August 2011, 1939
With all due respect the GE motor in our "Rocket" Drag Bike puts out well over 750 HP on a consistent basis, roughly 3 times the 250 numbers quoted here.

Shawn Lawless
With all due respect, yours is a drag bike. :D So when I said most powerful I only meant in the field in which he runs. And I can't even say that with any certainty.

When are you and Bill going to be pushing each other again? Or have I not been paying enough attention? (Most likely.)

Nuts & Volts
19 August 2011, 1943
Powered by the same line of controllers going in my bike :)

Shawn how long till we get you out on the sand?

Awesome stuff and can't wait to see the times posted here in the next few years....

Arent you running a BLDC motor...didnt know that controller came in that variety... :)

Basically Mr Lawless is telling us that seeing these bikes on the 1/4mile track may be fun, its not anywhere near as fun as his monster of a bike :)

Skeezmour
19 August 2011, 2031
I have more than one bike project :)

SO wish I could be there to watch the rocket run!

Shawn do something out here on the west coast will ya :) ....PLEASE!

BoneFire
19 August 2011, 2212
Powered by the same line of controllers going in my bike :)

Shawn how long till we get you out on the sand?

Awesome stuff and can't wait to see the times posted here in the next few years....

Would love to see that bike here on the West Coast! Exciting times for all different forms of emcs. Nice to see Manzanita Micro's article (http://www.manzanitamicro.com/news/81-chip-yates-to-show-258-hp-electric-superbike) about Chip heading to Infineon Raceway and then on to Bonneville. :)

BoneFire
19 August 2011, 2222
Latest news from Chip says he's got a shot at hitting 220 mph, if everything works according to plan:


So here's the plan: 258hp, 600amps, 450volts, new firmware, software, higher RPM, drop front, 10" longer swingarm, new tail, geared for 250! Assume 10-15% slip puts you at around 220 on this gearing. Can we do it? Its down to whether the aero fixes work. I promise it will be fun!


Sources here (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/104754226995015680) & here. (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/104754577601069056)

Lawlessind
20 August 2011, 0317
Arent you running a BLDC motor...didnt know that controller came in that variety... :)

Basically Mr Lawless is telling us that seeing these bikes on the 1/4mile track may be fun, its not anywhere near as fun as his monster of a bike :)

Hi guys: I would love to be there to see the Lightning and the Yates bikes run at 200 MPH+. That is faster than we have run and nothing but exciting and fun. These are great accomplishments. What I was pointing out was that " You ain't seen nuthin yet". The technology is out there to put 750, 1000, or more HP to the salt or sand. When these or other LSR guys start cranking up the HP in their bikes to these levels there is no reason why they can't wear the title of "Fastest Motorcycle on Earth". Go Fast - Shawn

lugnut
20 August 2011, 0357
Hi guys: I would love to be there to see the Lightning and the Yates bikes run at 200 MPH+. That is faster than we have run and nothing but exciting and fun. These are great accomplishments. What I was pointing out was that " You ain't seen nuthin yet". The technology is out there to put 750, 1000, or more HP to the salt or sand. When these or other LSR guys start cranking up the HP in their bikes to these levels there is no reason why they can't wear the title of "Fastest Motorcycle on Earth". Go Fast - Shawn

Especially when you consider that the Lightning and Yates bikes are road-racers, not purpose built salt machines.

teddillard
20 August 2011, 0403
... if everything works according to plan...

...Yeah, if everything worked according to plan, I'd be rich and good-lookin'! :D

GREAT to hear from you, Shawn, thanks for chiming in!

dice23
20 August 2011, 0543
i'm all for going 200mph plus...but there is NOTHING like watching a near 200mph pass on ONE wheel screeming by you in your face! take nothing away from the salt...thinking it's more fun to be on the bike than watch from afar? i think that's why i like the drag racing...you can see it all....start to finish. road racing...you only see a small part of the action...once again...more fun to do than watch a cpouple of corners...man i miss road racing...lol...man i need to go fast soon! SHAWN!...HELP!....LMAO! I wonder how fast the predator would go on salt? how bout AGNuS? the jr. dragster? the truck? salt fever anyone?

mechanic
20 August 2011, 0825
Lets call a spade a spade- No spin, no hate, no sugar coating, just facts.

Chips bike, the "worlds fastest, most powerful, technologically advanced"... is anything but that, just look at it, the real piece of work is actually Chip.

From day one this project has been spun and re-spun to look successful, it started with "Chip's" magic bullet "his patented" KERS solution, which is a complete lie- as it is not his design at all but an existing Christini front end. The Christini front end was designed is to put a small amount of torque, at dirt bike speeds to the front wheel. The Christini front end, as designed, lacks lubrication and adequate bearings, along with undersized gears to be used as a KERS system for a superbike. The result would have likely only lasted a few laps before seizing! Beside the outright lie of authorship, which shows true Chip's character, there is no battery with the energy density needed for a real electric road racer that can handle the type of charge rate Chip was projecting/needing to even offset the weight packaging compromise. But of course that is the real problem with Chips bike, Chip has little understanding of batteries or electrical /mechanical engineering and you can forget about design.

The first round of batteries did not fit, said to "weigh more than expected"? and were scrapped. The next round were more energy dense but the majority still did not fit and thus were mounted in a box behind the rider- this is were the project failed 100% and should have been stopped and been reevaluated!

A for the accomplishments? The only "modern" motorcycle in the WERA race was Randolph on the KTM which was a lap away from lapping Chip. There was no Ducati 1098, or Japanese 1,000 (more lies) Chip did beat some air cooled Ducati "classics" which produce under 70-100hp. and was beat by at least two girls (who are good riders) on 600cc.

It will be interesting to see what happens at Bonneville. For sure the bike is capable of producing some HP but that is only a part of the equation. The compromises required to make even more HP would actually make his bike even slower (as a roadrace bike at a track). The fine balance of compromise, is lost on Chip, like other basic motorcycle dynamics. Chip just tweeted he lengthen the swingarm another 10". This is exactly the opposite and wrong thing to do for a bike that needs traction, like one running on salt. A longer swing arm is used/needed when you have exceptional traction and thus can apply significant torque resulting in tremendous acceleration, the longer swingarm is needed to move the CG forward so the bikes tendency to wheelie is countered. Bonneville is all about traction not acceleration. The shorter the swing arm the, the more weight over the rear wheel, the better the traction, etc. etc, etc... As for a his 220mph dyno run which was "without aero drag" really? Over 90% of the work the motor will do at top speed is to displace air, thus the test and results are irrelevant in reference to top speed then.

All we can hope for is once this bike gets retired, Chip picks another industry to charm with his "swinging mojo" bravado.

Regardless God speed to all at Bonneville.

teddillard
20 August 2011, 0835
OHHH god. NOW you've done it. You're gonna make bf cry. :O

Honestly, from what I've seen I think a lot of what you're saying is correct. As I've said elsewhere, though, it's about letting the bike do the talkin' and Bonneville will either make a lot of people talk, or stop talking... depending on the outcome. One thing's for sure though, Yates ain't never gonna stop talkin. :D

Everything else being equal, though, it's undeniable that he's responsible of garnering a whole lot of attention to what we do, however offensive, misleading or dishonest you find it. (Don't even start with me on "the ends justify the means or not" discussion. I invented that one. lol!)

dice23
20 August 2011, 0846
nice ted...lol! i really hope the bike flies....but i got a feeling it will not be stable enough at speed...just from the pics i've seen.it will be interesting to see the final design he comes up with. i agree that the overall attention to the EVmotorcycle cause is great! with the longer arm it would make a good dragbike though? lmao!

Nuts & Volts
20 August 2011, 0915
Mechanic makes good technical points, that i tend to agree with. Without knowing the whole design process I hate to pass judgement thou. Thus I will just let Chip be Chip and discuss the things he accomplishes once he accomplishes them, not before. Too many unfulfilled claims for my liking.

As always thanks for the opinions and insight everyone.

BoneFire
20 August 2011, 1307
Hi guys: I would love to be there to see the Lightning and the Yates bikes run at 200 MPH+. That is faster than we have run and nothing but exciting and fun. These are great accomplishments. What I was pointing out was that " You ain't seen nuthin yet". The technology is out there to put 750, 1000, or more HP to the salt or sand. When these or other LSR guys start cranking up the HP in their bikes to these levels there is no reason why they can't wear the title of "Fastest Motorcycle on Earth". Go Fast - Shawn

Thanks Shawn, I'm looking forward to the domination of all types of racing by electrics. I'll definitely come out to the track and show my support for your team when you get to SoCal. Soon I hope!

BoneFire
20 August 2011, 1443
With Chip's pizza box full of batteries over the tail, and combined rider & bike weight of probably 700 + lbs?., I didn't think he would be adding more weight, but...


EE Robert Ussery pouring lead into our axles! When they call us a "garage operation" in the media, they aren't kidding!


http://i55.tinypic.com/dxblkz.jpg
Source (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/105017535606435840)

DaveAK
20 August 2011, 1654
Hi guys: I would love to be there to see the Lightning and the Yates bikes run at 200 MPH+. That is faster than we have run and nothing but exciting and fun. These are great accomplishments. What I was pointing out was that " You ain't seen nuthin yet". The technology is out there to put 750, 1000, or more HP to the salt or sand. When these or other LSR guys start cranking up the HP in their bikes to these levels there is no reason why they can't wear the title of "Fastest Motorcycle on Earth". Go Fast - Shawn
I agree. I was watching a TV program just a week or two ago where someoone was attempting 400mph on/in a streamliner. I only caught the tail end of it and can't remember who it was. I don't think they broke the 400mph mark, but they did get 390+ I think, and maybe broke their existing record. I'm just waiting until someone does the same with one or more powerful electric motors and a ****load of batteries.

As for Chip, well I've never cared for his boasts, but the only thing that matters to me is can he break the record. I'm rooting for him to do it regardless of what I think about him or his bike. I think mechanics points are actually pointless.

teddillard
21 August 2011, 0302
...I didn't think he would be adding more weight, but..

I'm pretty sure that's about weight distribution and balance, right? I was just reading about the Buckeye Bullet 3 making some seemingly incremental weight distribution adjustments in Autoblog Green:
http://green.autoblog.com/2011/08/19/buckeye-bullet-3-shooting-for-400-plus-mph-electric-speed-record/

I also noticed some of his comments about the streamlining concerns... clearly his focus right now.

In spite of his attempts at kind of a "aw shucks" garage build persona, Chip is actually a rocket scientist. (NASA, I believe, though I can't find that reference.)

BoneFire
21 August 2011, 1356
Nice find Ted. Cool to see that electrics have already scorched the saltflats. The Buckeye Bullet previously hit 300+ mph & is shooting for 400 + in 2012. Looks like it's got A123 batteries too.

As much research as Chip did for his PPIHC race I think that he would recruite an experienced saltflats racer/expert to give him some tips on how to better distribute his bike's weight for the BUB run.

Chip a rocket scientist? More like mad scientist. ;) From what I remember he met up with his team-mates while they were all working for Boeing.

teddillard
22 August 2011, 0324
huh. OK, I guess it was Boeing... well they make rockets too, right? :D

Still, I was under the impression he was strictly an aerospace engineer, apparently not. Here's a story on him I found:http://www.ocregister.com/articles/yates-289200-race-says.html

...which, unfortunately, makes him all the more annoying to me. Only been racing bikes since 2007, has patents on toys, and this:

Here's his problem in a nutshell.

"It could flip over and kill me," says Yates.

That why he needs the computing power of a Saturn V and know-how of aerospace engineers: To tame the instant torque of an electric motor.

Here's another problem: 200 pounds of batteries on back. After running eight laps at Infineon Raceway on Dec. 12, he redesigned the bike to hold one-third of the batteries up front.

uhhhh. OK. How about you plan out the bike so the weight distribution with the batteries is a little better? (OK, I can't believe I'm saying this, but I blame BoneFire :) :) :) :) :) )

...and, uh, to state the obvious that's been mentioned before, isn't the rider skill supposed to keep the bike upright? Just sayin'.

What a... a.... circus. :O

DaveAK
22 August 2011, 0827
Hey, this actually makes me feel good. Apparently the part of my brain that controls my right wrist has the computing power of a Saturn V and the know-how of aerospace engineers. Of course Saturn V's are old technology and can be run from a smartphone app nowadays, and when my right wrist isn't controlling the throttle on my bike it's satisfying me in other ways. Probably something that aerospace engineers are well versed in.

Maybe it's not such a great boast after all.

BoneFire
22 August 2011, 1003
:O Ted, WTH did I do? Seriously, I ain't Yates, or his... uh, you know. lolz Nice circus analogy though... death defying acts mixed with lots of showmanship, exotic animals and whimsical clowns. But, where is the science in the circus? Chip just explained it in his latest tweet. :D


Good news! When I retire the bike after Boneville, it will be on permanent display at the Museum of Hyperbole and Narcissistic Sciences!!!
Source (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/105442878800666624)

When all is said and done, I think Chip will have accomplished what he said was important:


"We're showing the world," he says, "that electric vehicles don't have to be slow and boring."
Sourced from your link.

Chip admits making lots of mistakes, but, still not bad for someone doing this as a hobby. Don't remember where I read it but I think he, or one of his crew, or a sponsor, said, he just wanted to build something cool and that would go fast.

Last night Chip tweeted that he was still laying up fiberglass. I'm curious if that's still for the tail, or what? Won't have to wait long now though to find out.

DaveAK
22 August 2011, 1030
Chip admits making lots of mistakes, but, still not bad for someone doing this as a hobby. Don't remember where I read it but I think he, or one of his crew, or a sponsor, said, he just wanted to build something cool and that would go fast.
Ummm, yes it is. His 'hobby' is well funded, supported by sponsors and staffed with aerospace engineers. While everyone makes mistakes, some mistakes shouldn't have been made in the first place.

BoneFire
22 August 2011, 1109
Ummm, yes it is. His 'hobby' is well funded, supported by sponsors and staffed with aerospace engineers...

Sponsored hobby then, as opposed to someone who is trying to earn a living doing this. Chip says his hobby is self funded & his "staff" are unpaid volunteers with little or no motorcycle experience


...While everyone makes mistakes, some mistakes shouldn't have been made in the first place.

Sounds kinda like someone else who said Chip's bike was DDB (Dead on the Draft Board). Glad he didn't listen to them. But, regardless of the obvious mistakes critics say Chip made, I'll enjoy the show for just a little while longer.

Allen_okc
22 August 2011, 1138
its sad that racers like chip yates have to race with a no budget sport - the kinda of technologies that comes from racing eventually hits the streets... you would think that some corporate would support such a deal...

kinda like NASCAR does for their races...

teddillard
22 August 2011, 1223
its sad that racers like chip yates have to race with a no budget sport

Hell with that. It's sad I have to build with no budget... :D

Allen_okc
22 August 2011, 1301
i hear ya Ted - sometimes it feels like i just work to pay for the bikes, and get nowhere...

DaveAK
22 August 2011, 1311
Sounds kinda like someone else who said Chip's bike was DDB (Dead on the Draft Board). Glad he didn't listen to them. But, regardless of the obvious mistakes critics say Chip made, I'll enjoy the show for just a little while longer.
Don't get me wrong, I'm enjoying the show too. Just not the showman. I thought his Pike's Peak climb was awesome. Didn't follow the Mojave Mile, but looking forward to his Boneville run. I know you're here to defend him, but to me just so much of what he's about rings hollow.


Hell with that. It's sad I have to build with no budget... :D
True dat. Maybe you should give up eating? I'm giving it some serious thought.

Allen_okc
22 August 2011, 1327
Well Dave, not eating would make us lighter, therefore making our bikes go faster...

__Tango
22 August 2011, 1445
Hell with that. It's sad I have to build with no budget... :D

Hey, you've got RC in town now, so at least you have slave labor... :)

teddillard
22 August 2011, 1525
Hey, you've got RC in town now, so at least you have slave labor... :)

HA! That's not the arrangement. More like, I ask him endless questions, buy him beer, feed him BBQ, he answers patiently. (...and doesn't make too many cracks about old people) :D

teddillard
22 August 2011, 1535
Sponsored hobby then, as opposed to someone who is trying to earn a living doing this.

OK, I'll bite. What exactly does he do for a living? I can't find that info anywhere...

Before I get slapped for being too "personal", he's set himself up as a minor celebrity... enquiring minds want to know!

DaveAK
22 August 2011, 1615
HA! That's not the arrangement. More like, I ask him endless questions, buy him beer, feed him BBQ, he answers patiently. (...and doesn't make too many cracks about old people) :D
So he's not calling you Gramps yet then? :D


OK, I'll bite. What exactly does he do for a living? I can't find that info anywhere...

Before I get slapped for being too "personal", he's set himself up as a minor celebrity... enquiring minds want to know!
Basically he runs Swigz doesn't he? At least that's what I gather but my mind isn't as enquiring as yours as far as Chip is concerned.

BoneFire
22 August 2011, 1617
OK, I'll bite. What exactly does he do for a living? I can't find that info anywhere...

Before I get slapped for being too "personal", he's set himself up as a minor celebrity... enquiring minds want to know!

"Minor celebrity"... where's the slap smiley? :p In addition to income he may still be receiving from several products he developed/marketed, including some with automotive industry patents, I believe he works as a consultant for aerospace/defense contractors. When he was with Boeing he worked with their technology licensing division.

teddillard
22 August 2011, 1633
So he's not calling you Gramps yet then? :D

Not out loud... :D

lugnut
26 August 2011, 0432
Sounds like Chip is en route to Bonneville. He posted this photo. Strange aero package, to say the least :-)

http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/106870701423726592/photo/1

lugnut
26 August 2011, 0516
I don't see Yates pre registered, but Motoczysz and Killacycle are. Bub this week and Miller next weekend. Utah is hot for fast elmoto.
http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2011_event/preentrylist11.html

DaveAK
26 August 2011, 0838
Motosizzle as well huh? The more the merrier!!

teddillard
28 August 2011, 0322
No CY updates, BF? :D (Chip UNFRIENDED ME on FB!! BOOOOOOOO!)

lmao

BoneFire
28 August 2011, 1119
Chip added a new salt flats expert to his racing team, Jason Fairclough, & has been out on a shakedown run. Check out Chip's Twitter for the most current updates:

http://i53.tinypic.com/11m6tjm.jpg

Source (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/107624053463982080/photo/1)

Ted, :O... :)

teddillard
28 August 2011, 1807
... Check out Chip's Twitter for the most current updates...

Wait, what? Chip has a Twitter feed? :D


(yeah, I'm full of crap tonight, it was a loooong hurricane complete with a SWEET plasma event across the street - about a block long!)

Tony Coiro
28 August 2011, 2202
You guys are all going to really enjoy Chip's latest tweets but to throw in my two cents, I really respect the guy and what he's accomplished with his bike.

BoneFire
28 August 2011, 2232
Geez, Tony, those are some frickin' scary tweets. Dang, I thought there would be drama, but not like this... :O

http://i51.tinypic.com/2924a9v.jpg

Chip still finished the run after hitting the course pylon and said he will make adjustments to try & stay on track tomorrow. Here's a pic of his time for today along with a piece of his broken windhshield and a piece of the course pylon that hitched a ride:

http://i54.tinypic.com/2dui05v.jpg

Sources from Chip's Twitter (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89)

teddillard
29 August 2011, 0324
Dang, I thought there would be drama, but not like this...

What, you haven't seen The World's Fastest Indian? :D

Here's a tweet, for those tweetless twits:
"Wow! Riding position so bad I can't see out windshield, have to keep lifting helmet with my hand to rest on tank, vibrations blur vision too "

"...run #2, messing with helmet and can't see, I run off track and hit a marker pilon at 198 mph! "

...maybe if he stopped tweeting for a second he'd be able to see better.

:O

lugnut
29 August 2011, 0729
Geez, Tony, those are some frickin' scary tweets. Dang, I thought there would be drama, but not like this... :O

http://i51.tinypic.com/2924a9v.jpg

Chip still finished the run after hitting the course pylon

I'd say he was real lucky, or skilled, to keep upright after that. Unlucky inasmuch as he couldn't do the return run and set a record.

DaveAK
29 August 2011, 0827
What, you haven't seen The World's Fastest Indian? :D

Here's a tweet, for those tweetless twits:
"Wow! Riding position so bad I can't see out windshield, have to keep lifting helmet with my hand to rest on tank, vibrations blur vision too "

"...run #2, messing with helmet and can't see, I run off track and hit a marker pilon at 198 mph! "

...maybe if he stopped tweeting for a second he'd be able to see better.

:O
Thanks Gramps!

-Dave 'Tweetless' AK

:D

teddillard
29 August 2011, 0851
Thanks Gramps!

-Dave 'Tweetless' AK

:D

Can I call you "Twittles"?

DaveAK
29 August 2011, 0939
Can I call you "Twittles"?
And ruin a perfectly good friendship?

Anyway, I hope Chip gets his bike sorted out and gets himself a good 200+ run, even if he doesn't break the record. He deserves that for all the effort he's put into his bike.

electriKAT
29 August 2011, 0958
It would be bitter sweet to break 200mph only days after someone else did it first.

dice23
29 August 2011, 1015
i think its just awesome for the the ELMOTO anyways...love the broken windscreen...adds character! just goes to show ...it aint that easy...lol...i wish chip the best of luck...just don't lift! they have any guardrails out there?lmao...dice

teddillard
29 August 2011, 1019
woah.

chipyates89 Chain only lasting 1 run, if I can't fix this, have to abandon FIM records cause u can't change chain in impound :( 7 minutes ago reply retweet favorite
chipyates89 profile

chipyates89 6am start I fiberglassed lower, new chin rest, building oil sump to run front chain in to make it survive 2 FIM runs!

This is the front chain, from what he said in an earlier tweet. Not even sure why he's running that... why would he run the KERS thing?

...sooo confoooosed

DaveAK
29 August 2011, 1024
Might it be a chain from motor to a jackshaft, and not KERS?

Skeezmour
29 August 2011, 1114
Might it be a chain from motor to a jackshaft, and not KERS?


That would be correct Dave.

teddillard
29 August 2011, 1115
Might it be a chain from motor to a jackshaft, and not KERS?

Yeah, that's it. Here was the tweet:
chipyates89 Chip Yates
FIM Salt: Trial run, bike is a rocket, broke untested front chain at 173 in 1 mile, just repaired!

Here's the bike, clearly has a "front chain":

http://chipyates.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/IMG_0929.284171734_std.JPG

This is from the "world's most powerful and technically advanced electric superbike" image on his site. Or as bf likes to say, source (http://www.chipyates.com/).

(biting tongue, trying to behave... oh god the pain)

DaveAK
29 August 2011, 1130
For no good reason than curiosity is there any difference between a layshaft and a jackshaft? I was going to use layshaft in my post and decided that maybe jackshaft would be more appropriate, but I don't know why. This is my pointless question for the day. :D

teddillard
29 August 2011, 1321
My impression is that a jackshaft is used specifically for transmitting power from one part of a machine to another, where a layshaft can be more independent, as in a transmission "slip shaft" or even a camshaft.

My stupid question of the day: Could that bike be any uglier? Really. It's hideous. :D

DaveAK
29 August 2011, 1357
My stupid question of the day: Could that bike be any uglier? Really. It's hideous. :D
Maybe that's what aerospace engineers call beautiful? I've got to admit that I've been wondering what they call aerodynamic.

teddillard
30 August 2011, 0334
Here it is, from (guess where):

http://p.twimg.com/AYD9kFpCAAAdTqT.jpg:large

nastay!

I can't imagine why it's breaking... seems like a pretty bulletproof configuration unless there are some other issues. It looks like it's just running to the drive sprocket, without any gearing change or anything.

mechanic
30 August 2011, 0801
bending chains create heat-

The chain breaking has nothing to do with gearing, in fact it would be better if there was a gear change as most likely one sprocket would at least be larger.

It's breaking because the ratio of radius section to straight section is to high, no time for the links to cool. Though they can, chains do not like to bend, when they do, there is friction, which creates heat, which dries out the lubricant which creates more friction and more heat, etc... even a mechanic knows this.

The "most advanced electric whatever in the world" still uses a primary chain?! Look at any of the real leading eMotos, none use a primary chain.

This is NOT an engineered protect, this is a very low level, reactionary, $100K arts and crafts project. If in doubt check out the "all new, 3' high aero seating position" it could not get any more ridiculous.

At this rate, something really ugly is going to eventually happen. You can just make up **** as you go- you need to have a real understanding and a plan- this is not 1950.

teddillard
30 August 2011, 0837
Much as I'm trying to behave and not be a hater, I have to agree. Sometime around yesterday afternoon I really started fearing that he was going to get hurt. Something about the "holding my helmet while going 170" comment.

Fingers crossed this goes safely.

podolefsky
30 August 2011, 1132
Um..few things:

- that picture above is old. He now has a full fairing and a different battery box.
- it is the most powerful electric superbike in the world. At 250 HP, nothing else even comes close (drag bikes not included).
- nobody said this was engineered by Suzuki...it is basically a few guys working in their garage.
- it's hard to know why they're doing things differently if you're not the one actually building the bike...maybe they're stupid, but they probably have their reasons
- i think mechanic is right about the heated chain - that looks like a cooling vent coming in from the top. that and 400 ft-lb of torque.

Hate all you want...I think it kicks ass.

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1155
Well, if we're going to nitpick ....

- that picture was intended to show the primary chain, not the current state of the bike
- no one is disputing his claims of power as far as I know, but if he can't break 216mph that power counts for naught (strictly in this LSR attempt)
- whether engineered by Suzuki or built by a few guys in a garage it has been claimed to be the fastest, most powerful and most technologically advanced, by Chip. Put up or shutup?
- Stupid? I doubt it. And I'm sure they've got their reasons in how they're approaching things. I've got my own guesses as to how this has been shaking out, but I don't definitively know. In the abscence of direct information all I've got to go on is what I *think* I'd do.
- I saw that cooling vent. Was wondering if they could seal that cover and put some kind of oil bath in there.

I'm not a hater, but Chip has put this bike on the stage for all the world to see. And so I'm doing what's natural - I'm asking questions. I think it kicked Pike's Peaks ass. I'd still like to see if it could kick Mission's ass in a race. I haven't ruled out it kicking Lightning's ass, but in all honesty it's not looking so good right now. It's early in the week though so hopefully they've got enough time to figure things out.

teddillard
30 August 2011, 1203
Um..few things:

- that picture above is old. He now has a full fairing and a different battery box.

Got that... saw the shots in the beginning of the thread, but it's not by any stretch pretty, IMO. It looks cobbled together.



- it is the most powerful electric superbike in the world. At 250 HP, nothing else even comes close (drag bikes not included).

OK, not being contentious here, but can you explain to me what that really means, just for the sake of education? His batteries can deliver more current at higher voltage than anything else? Add to that his motor can take more current than anything else? It's a claim that gets repeated everywhere, and a) I don't understand it, and b) it's academic if the bike doesn't handle. (What was that line from Top Gun about "...if you strap enough horsepower to a brick it will fly"? - or not.)

I do think I have a grip on what makes a bike "powerful", and also that assigning HP numbers to a system is a little difficult and misleading... so this is why I ask, this just doesn't make sense beyond plain bragging rights.



- nobody said this was engineered by Suzuki...it is basically a few guys working in their garage.

The hyperbole that goes along with this effort and this bike is a matter of record. No need to address it. Again.



- i think mechanic is right about the heated chain - that looks like a cooling vent coming in from the top. that and 400 ft-lb of torque.

So, obviously a bigger chain would help, would larger diameter sprockets help too?



Hate all you want...I think it kicks ass.

...as I said, at this point my concern is not hate, it is that the man doesn't get his ass kicked. I hope he makes it safely. That is all.

lugnut
30 August 2011, 1218
It's early in the week though so hopefully they've got enough time to figure things out.

I think Bub ends tomorrow. Anyway, I've been looking at the photos of the chain. I think I count 17 teeth on the front and 15 or 16 on the rear. Anyway, it is obviously different than the earlier photo where the rear sprocket is larger. I don't know but think you would want different tooth counts on the two sprockets to spread out the force pulses. And another thing. I don't see any provision for center distance adjustment. I wonder how he gets the proper slack/tension.

The use of a primary reducer isn't uncommon. It can put the rear sprocket at the pivot for the swing arm or very close to it. Last year's Lightning bike used a toothed belt for a primary reduction in this manner. Any rate, let's see how he does. Safely, hopefully :-)

podolefsky
30 August 2011, 1352
Got that... saw the shots in the beginning of the thread, but it's not by any stretch pretty, IMO. It looks cobbled together.

not that I disagree...but he's trying to win races, not beauty contests.

maybe i just like that it's cobbled together - at least he's in good company:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Burtmunro1920indian.JPG/800px-Burtmunro1920indian.JPG



OK, not being contentious here, but can you explain to me what that really means, just for the sake of education? His batteries can deliver more current at higher voltage than anything else? Add to that his motor can take more current than anything else? It's a claim that gets repeated everywhere, and a) I don't understand it, and b) it's academic if the bike doesn't handle. (What was that line from Top Gun about "...if you strap enough horsepower to a brick it will fly"? - or not.)

I do think I have a grip on what makes a bike "powerful", and also that assigning HP numbers to a system is a little difficult and misleading... so this is why I ask, this just doesn't make sense beyond plain bragging rights.

Well, 194 HP is the dyno data for the UQM motor. But it's not just theoretical based on volts and amps. His bike has hit 240 HP on a Dynojet (at the wheel).

Not sure what you mean by not handling - I think he's proven the bike handles by 1) podium in superbike races, and 2) Pike's Peak, which is arguably the twistiest race in the world, and he was in 9th overall until the dirt section.



...as I said, at this point my concern is not hate, it is that the man doesn't get his ass kicked. I hope he makes it safely. That is all.

totally with you there.

dice23
30 August 2011, 1355
me thinks the size of the gears are fine...could this have been a clip failure? are they using a rivet style chain? there might not have been enough slack and when it heated up a bit..kaplow! the predator uses smaller tooth and i agree that smaller will cause a problem as mechanic describes...just not sure thats his problem. a belt would work much better for this style of racing...less rotating drag eh? i'm thinking one mile race with the pred? that would be fun!

teddillard
30 August 2011, 1359
Well, 194 HP is the dyno data for the UQM motor. But it's not just theoretical based on volts and amps. His bike has hit 240 HP on a Dynojet (at the wheel).
I guess there's a whole lot I don't understand about HP then, but lord help me, I'm with Dave, if it don't prove out it don't mean crap.


Not sure what you mean by not handling

Not handling at 200mph.

If you want to invoke the name of Burt Monroe, so be it... but there's a man who never said his bike was anything more than cobbled together, (certainly never claimed to be the most "technologically advanced") and just wanted to go fast. I still remember reading about his run in the original Cycle Magazine... yes. I'm that old. :O But as far as I'm concerned, he's the original "let the bike do the talking" guy.

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1422
I really don't care whether it's cobbled together or NASA engineered, (I like both approaches to engineering equally), and I don't care whether he has a team of MIT engineers or it's just a couple of guys and a dog in garage somewhere. My only objection is the boasts that Chip makes. I would like him to boast it's the fastest bike AFTER it wins the record, and not before.

Being the most powerful is irrelevant, being the most technologically advanced is highly debateable, being the fastest has yet to be proven. Simple. End of story. Why are we still discussing this?

podolefsky
30 August 2011, 1446
when he said it was the fastest it WAS the fastest...it did win the record, and then lost it. am I missing something?

podolefsky
30 August 2011, 1454
Was wondering if they could seal that cover and put some kind of oil bath in there.


yes.

http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FX1HbR4K

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1456
when he said it was the fastest it WAS the fastest...it did win the record, and then lost it. am I missing something?
Ok then, scrub fastest. :)

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1457
yes.

http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/media/slideshow?url=pic.twitter.com%2FX1HbR4K
As Ted will tell you, I'm Twitless, so I'm going to assume that they did what I suggested and acknowledge that I am a goddam mother****ing genius. Thank you and good night!

podolefsky
30 August 2011, 1500
As Ted will tell you, I'm Twitless, so I'm going to assume that they did what I suggested and acknowledge that I am a goddam mother****ing genius. Thank you and good night!

i think they forgot to mention that...thankless a$$holes

Skeezmour
30 August 2011, 1507
Agreed he could do everything and then some and there will still be something wrong with him to some. I wouldn't use those colors, pizza box is dumb, ext... I have stayed out of it due to the complete lack of respect for the things he has done. Put $250,000 of your own money into a project like this and see how you feel about all the arm chair quarterbacks.
I for one will continue to cheer on anyone who has the guts to lay it out there to push this industry forward. If I have a problem with something they do im going to ask myself are they doing that thing with malice or some other less then honorable motive, if they are then perhaps I will raise the issue.

Back to the fun....who has the next cool bike comming up :) need my fix on fun toys.

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1550
Put $250,000 of your own money into a project like this and see how you feel about all the arm chair quarterbacks.
So he wants all the glory and none of the heartache? If he paid me the $250K I'd blow smoke up his ass all day if that's what he wanted, but if he does something in the public eye it's going to get public scrutiny. It's that simple. And it's not unique to Chip.

I don't think we're doing him or the industry any favors in keeping criticism to ourselves. Maybe the majority is underserved and given by people who don't know their arse from their elbow, but maybe some of it is actually constructive by people who do know what they're talking about. (Clearly I'm not one of those. :D)

dice23
30 August 2011, 1642
i claim coolest new bike project!

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1644
i claim coolest new bike project!
I'm not going to argue with that one!! :D

BoneFire
30 August 2011, 1645
I don't think we're doing him or the industry any favors in keeping criticism to ourselves.

Agreed... if the criticism is well researched and communicated in a constructive manner. Otherwise, IMHO, it just starts to sound like bashers continuing to beat the same old skin-stretched-too-tight drum.


Not handling at 200mph.

His bike handles fine so far and even allowed Chip to ride through running over a pylon at 198 mph. No issues with handling, or traction. He did work on the visibility related issues that were a noted problem. I imagine that when your pushing 200 mph, on a somewhat bumpy track, (read killacycle's accout (http://www.facebook.com/killacycle)) some vibration is gonna be par for the course.

Chip said of his bike:


...stable and fast!

Source (http://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89/status/107624053463982080)

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1653
Agreed... if the criticism is well researched and communicated in a constructive manner. Otherwise, IMHO, it just starts to sound like bashers continuing to beat the same old skin-stretched-too-tight drum.
Agreed that criticism is better if constructive and well researched, but if it isn't then anyone with half a brain should be able to weed out the wheat from the chaf.

And of course, undue praise and defence for defence's sake also starts to sound pretty lame after a while.

lugnut
30 August 2011, 1702
What's he done lately, like today? Anybody see any reports from Chip, or EVa? Just about sundown on the salt :-)

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1705
What's he done lately, like today? Anybody see any reports from Chip, or EVa? Just about sundown on the salt :-)
Oh, you mean news about the important stuff. :) Yeah, I'd be interested in that too. :D

podolefsky
30 August 2011, 1715
anyone who builds an electric motorcycle rules.

anyone who tries to make one go 200 mph rules X 1000.

what i like about all this is seeing people really push the envelope, and how they deal with the inevitable and unexpected problems that come up.

i don't know if chip is going to break 206 or hit 250 (like he said his bike is geared for). but he has the HP, and so it's exciting to see if he can make it work. this whole thing about 250 HP not counting if the bike doesn't do it misses the point, IMO. to me, it just means one of the problems is solved...now on to the others.

my 2c

eracebike.com
30 August 2011, 1717
Eva set a record with a blistering 120mph (she ran on an open record so all she had to do is make it through the lights twice) .... She is still way off her boasting claim of 400mph..... no word on Chip at all
kent

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1724
Eva set a record with a blistering 120mph (she ran on an open record so all she had to do is make it through the lights twice) .... She is still way off her boasting claim of 400mph..... no word on Chip at all
kent
Now that is disappointing. :( What's going on in the KillaCycle camp? A couple of Chip's UQM motors and a battery pack to match should sort it right out. :)

Frank
30 August 2011, 1739
Now that is disappointing. :( What's going on in the KillaCycle camp? A couple of Chip's UQM motors and a battery pack to match should sort it right out. :)

I think you're required to complete "qualifying" runs at lower speeds in order to prove yourself and the machinery. Ex: at Loring your first run is limited to 125 mph, then 150, then 175, then the sky is the limit, assuming you have the proper safety equipment.

The big question in my mind is how the motors will take the heat of extended running at higher output levels.

eracebike.com
30 August 2011, 1741
There getting some help from the wrong people..... they got humbled pretty good last year and made a turn in the wrong direction.... power is not there problem right now....
kent

DaveAK
30 August 2011, 1819
Thanks for the insight guys. So just tomorrow left? Here's hoping they all hit their marks.

Skeezmour
30 August 2011, 1849
Nice to see you here Kent....slick bodywork....mmmmm....oh wait have to finish the babies room.....slick bodywork ....wife wants babies room done...Get back with you later Kent :).

BoneFire
30 August 2011, 2344
Congrats to Chip & his crew for their FIM LSR and for breaking the 200 mph mark! More racing tomorrow and Thursday!


FIM over 300kg class first pass 195.994, impound and must run opposite direction within 2 hours, second pass 196.847 for first world record!


FIM World Record #1 in the bag with more attempts Wed and Thurs! Hard day but very rewarding!


My peak speed in the second run was 200.7 mph so at least we can say we built an electric roadracing bike in my garage that went 200!!!

Source (https://twitter.com/#!/chipyates89)

DaveAK
31 August 2011, 0832
Congrats to him breaking the 200 mark. Let's see if he can improve any in the last couple of days.

BoneFire
02 September 2011, 1644
Here's a summary of Chip's results on Hell For Leather (http://hellforleathermagazine.com/2011/09/exclusive-video-of-chip-yates%e2%80%99-bonneville-speed-records/#more-20170) and a short video.

Chip dedicated his LSR efforts to the memory of 15-year old Matthew Parker of Hurricane, Utah, a Boy Scout who died in a Lake Powell boating accident this past July. The Matthew Parker Project (http://www.stgeorgeutah.com/news/archive/2011/07/30/friends-family-begin-anti-bullying-project-in-honor-of-matthew-parker/) was created to end bullying in Hurricane and all schools throughout the county. The flag that Chip raised at the end of the video is a promised gift to Matt's parents.

teddillard
02 September 2011, 1720
and a short video.

give me.

a.

****ing.

break.

Sorry, threw up a little in my mouth. Thank god he's "retiring". Can't wait to see what he decides to devote his ego to next.

DaveAK
02 September 2011, 1732
Well congratulations to him for his achievements, his 4 world records and his retirement.

DaveAK
02 September 2011, 1733
Sorry, threw up a little in my mouth.
I saved myself the pain by not watching the video. :D

Skeezmour
02 September 2011, 1914
give me.

a.

****ing.

break.

Sorry, threw up a little in my mouth. Thank god he's "retiring". Can't wait to see what he decides to devote his ego to next.

Real constructive there Ted. From here it looks like your a little school boy thats mad at some other kid in his class getting all the attention.

In the end Chip came out put his money, time, and life on the line to try and accomplish a set of goals. Did he get them all? No. Did he do it perfectly? No. Did he go out there and bash other people who are out there pushing the limits of electric motorcycles? NO!

Then he puts out a video that does not have him jumping up and down and pounding his chest but some how you have to "threw up a little in my mouth" over it. Was it the tribute part to a family member of his team that upset you so? After having met you just trying to understand where this utter distane towards Chip comes from.

The impression I got from you in person is so opposite of how your comming across in this venue. Just trying to reconcile it. I'm dissapointed because I don't understand.

Since you're such an active contributor to this board you set the tone. I know you have more positive things to offer to this community then tearing down the accomplishments of someone else.

BoneFire
02 September 2011, 2149
Press release just issued:

Chip Yates Sets Eight Official Land Speed Records on the Bonneville Salt Flats, Retires (http://www.chipyates.com/bonneville)

Wishing Chip the best as he moves on from emc racing and thanking him for adding so much excitement to the sport!

DaveAK
02 September 2011, 2215
You want to know why Ted threw up a little?


When it became clear to us that we wouldn’t be able to beat Lightning Motorcycle’s unofficial record of 215.907

BoneFire
02 September 2011, 2252
Dave, are you Ted's bitch now? Let Ted speak for himself, 'cause your version makes Ted look like he doesn't know what he's talking about. The article and video that Ted was responding too, had no such quote. If fact, within the Hell For Leather article, Chip said the following


Chip Yates and the SWIGZ.COM Pro Racing Team extend their heartiest congratulations to the Lightning Electric Motorcycle Team for their incredible S.C.T.A. run of 215.907mph.

The quote you give was not from the article that Ted was responding too and it wasn't made by Chip, it was from his electrical engineer in a press release that wasn't even published when Ted made his negative remark.

I'm sure you will find something else negative to say about Chip, and Ted probably will too, but I'm done with the topic. Enjoy yourselves.

teddillard
03 September 2011, 0240
... but I'm done with the topic.

Me too.

Gene, if you want to discuss my posts or opinions, you know how to find me.

teddillard
03 September 2011, 0424
post deleted

DaveAK
03 September 2011, 1001
Dave, are you Ted's bitch now? Let Ted speak for himself, 'cause your version makes Ted look like he doesn't know what he's talking about. The article and video that Ted was responding too, had no such quote. If fact, within the Hell For Leather article, Chip said the following



The quote you give was not from the article that Ted was responding too and it wasn't made by Chip, it was from his electrical engineer in a press release that wasn't even published when Ted made his negative remark.

I'm sure you will find something else negative to say about Chip, and Ted probably will too, but I'm done with the topic. Enjoy yourselves.
Don't take everything so literally BoneFire. I should be so lucky to be Ted's bitch, but in all honesty after writing that and giving it plenty of thought overnight I knew I should have written "Maybe this is why Ted threw up a little."

My point being that even though these were seperate articles and Ted wasn't refering to the second it is very indicative of why Chip rubs me the wrong way, and *maybe* the reason Ted's views are what they are. So I think my post was appropriate, even though I should not have sullied Ted's good name. Yes Chip congratulated Lightning on their run, but it rings pretty hollow when later in a press release on his web site one of his enginneers calls it unofficial. Further more, the press release starts by making direct comparisons between FIM and SCTA records.

On top of all that I'm pretty disappointed to find that Chip has identified an issue with his batteries and is still confident that his bike could do 225mph, but he's retiring both the bike and himself. I want to see him break Lightning's record because I think he's got a bike that can do it.

While we're on the subject of disappointments, I'm disappointed that Mission have a world class bike that they're not going to develop further. They've made it pretty clear it's a business decision and they're not going to be in the business of electric motorcycles.

I'm disappointed that we don't see more of MotoCyzys, (hey, did I get that right?), but it does seem that he's at least interested in continuing to improve the bikes for the TT. I wonder if he would consider a run up Pike's Peak?

I'm really disappointed in KillaCycle being woefully short of their target. On the plus side they do have a better motor in the works for another attempt. I'd like to see them ditch that sidecar though, but that's just me.

So that brings us back to Chip. I guess I just don't get where he's coming from.

podolefsky
03 September 2011, 1109
I get where Dave is coming from. I was kinda surprised and disappointed that Chip is retiring too. Maybe he'll pass his bike on to someone who can keep it going? (hint hint...)

The good thing is, there are lots of people coming into the field, lots of ass is being kicked...and even more to come.

My hat is off to all the trail blazers...they were working in a big unknown, and thanks to them the new folks won't be starting from scratch.

I don't have $250,000...I'm doing my best to represent what one person can do in their garage. We all gotta do something, respect, and represent. And most of all, stay positive.

Skeezmour
03 September 2011, 1114
Your bike got my attention thats for sure Noah. Waiting to see your improvments on it.

dice23
03 September 2011, 1123
i think that he was hoping for more WORLD attention? even though we(the EV movement)are so into our elmotos,it goes under the carpet to much of the mainstream public. i have had many that saw the PASSTIME episode and may have heard or seen a video,people that come up to us in the pits.trying to sell the ev concept is not that easy!thats why i am about to show some people whats up on the street legal scene! you kind of hit a wall with the racing thing...lol...not literally...damn i did that huh? i mean there just does not seem to be any money,sponsorship, and growing publicly. as the battery technology grows,the bike will get faster with more range. if you show the people EV'S are cool...they will come! no pizza boxes attached!lol...looks ply a huge part in making people notice...it really sucked when i ran my first pass on the predator.....17sec or so...got laughed at by many!we dropped to the 12's in one year! i drove a top dragster harley,got of and built my first elmoto. who's laughing now? it took a few years...lots'o money,and some great friends to get me here and now. i will (with help from shawn lawless) kick the f#@*ing door down for us! i thought about quiting due to the money it takes,but na...this is way to cooool! I WILL NOT RETIRE! maybe expire? lmao