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castrophony
30 April 2012, 0836
As suggested in my <a href="http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?2258-Kingston-University-Ecotricity-TTZero-2012">other thread</a> I'm going to post here any info on the entrants in this year's TTZero (not just Kingston).
Please feel free to add any info you come across on your webular travels so that we can build up a decent resource on the exciting technologies and innovation which are sure to be a major feature this year.

So far confirmed by the TT organisers in <a href="http://www.iomtt.com/News/2012/04/23/2012-SES-TT-Zero-Challenge-attracts-highest-entry-ever.aspx">this press release</a> there are 18 entrants this year:


<b>Rider</b> <b>Team</b> <b>Country</b>
1. Michael Rutter Segway Moto Csysz USA
2. Mark Miller Segway Moto Csysz USA
3. John McGuinness Mugen Japan
4. Paul Owen Kingston University / Ecotricity UK
5. George Spence Kingston University / Ecotricity UK
6. James Hillier Bournemouth Kawasaki / Zytek UK
7. Jenny Tinmouth Team Agni UK
8. ? Team Agni UK
9. ? Team Agni UK
10. Russ Mountford Brunel University UK/India
11. Roy Richardson Imperial College UK
12. Antonio Maeso Tork / Haiyin Racing India
13. Yoshinari Matsu5hita Komatti Mirai Japan
14. ? Vercarmoto Italy
15. Dan Kneen ManTTx IOM
16. Paul Shoesmith Sarolea Belgium?
17. John Burrows Lightning Motorcycles USA
18. Rob Barber TGM IOT Austria



**Table updated with TGM IOT team and known bike numbers in BOLD

Previous best results of 2012 entrants (riders and teams):


<b>Rider</b> <b>Team</b> <b>Year</b> <b>Position</b>
Michael Rutter Moto Czysz Segway Racing 2011 1st
Mark Miller Moto Czysz Segway Racing 2011 2nd
George Spence Kingston University / Ecotricity 2011 3rd
Yoshinari Matsu5hita Team Prozza 2011 5th
Mark Miller Moto Czysz Segway Racing 2010 1st
Rob Barber Team Agni 2010 2nd
James McBride ManTTx 2010 3rd
Jenny Tinmouth Team Agni 2010 4th
George Spence Kingston University / Ecotricity 2010 5th
Rob Barber Team Agni 2009 1st
Paul Dobubs (RIP) TBLAUVA - TGM 2009 5th
Stephen Harper Brunel University 2009 6th
John Crellin Tork 2009 3rd (Open class)



If you find any info you think people need to hear about regarding this year's teams it will be interesting to see how the odds are stacking up!

Simon

Biff
01 May 2012, 1007
brief article on the TTZero http://www.isleofman.com/News/article.aspx?article=45097

magicsmoke
01 May 2012, 1417
I can't see the eighteenth entry on the press release...

I believe the eighteenth is Rob Barber riding for an Austrian team TGM-IOT (who I also believe have / had? links to HTBLAUVA)

Rob

castrophony
02 May 2012, 0330
Teams updated, thanks for the info Rob. <a href="http://www.teamagni.com/">Team Agni website</a> doesn't look like it has been updated lately. It would be nice to find out who they are fielding. It seems there has been a real drive to get bigger names on the leccy bikes this year, whether this is a result of teams pestering them or a genuine interest from the riders I'm not sure.

Simon

castrophony
02 May 2012, 0531
Having a few snaps of their BX-11 bike from the 2011 TTZero, I thought I'd start off some research into Brunel's entry for this year and found out more about the Japanese Komatti-Mirai entry than our fellow university team.

First of all, here's a look at the Brunel BX-11 bike from last year.

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/?action=view&amp;current=DSCF1566.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/DSCF1566.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Wrapped in Triumph 675 Daytona bodywork, this is a seriously tidy electric bike; a lot of time and thought has been put into the packaging and getting the bike looking good. The bike also borrows the chassis from the donor bike.

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/?action=view&amp;current=DSCF1562.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/DSCF1562.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The attention to detail is superb, check out the heatsink protruding from the neatly finished undertray.
As with the majority of entries, the Brunel effort uses twin Agni 95 motors which are its biggest EV giveaway.

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/?action=view&amp;current=DSCF1559.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/DSCF1559.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

As also experienced in previous TT Zero and TTXGP races at the IOM, motor life can be unpredictably short and so Brunel ran with only one motor for practice.

So what does Brunel have to do with the Japanese? Well, Dr. Koen Matthys who leads the Brunel X-Team co-founded Komatti racing team who have this year partnered with the Japanese Mirai Motor Co. as reported in <a href="http://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=ja&u=http://www.autoby.jp/blog/2012/03/komatti-mirai-r.html&ei=RB-hT42XNuOn4gTI7OjbCA&sa=X&oi=translate&ct=result&resnum=10&ved=0CG8Q7gEwCQ&prev=/search%3Fq%3Dkomatti%2Bmirai%26hl%3Den%26client%3D opera%26hs%3DVYE%26rls%3Den%26channel%3Dsuggest%26 prmd%3Dimvns">this Japanese blog</a>. It also mentions that the team continues the efforts of Team Prozza who entered last year with this tasty looking number:

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/?action=view&amp;current=DSC01562.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/Other%20TTZero%20Bikes/DSC01562.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Whilst garnering hard facts from the Haku-style Google translation of the Japanese Autoby blog, it does show pictures from the March press event at the Akiba Motor Show cafe which show Matthys, the Komatti-Mirai rider Yoshinari Matsu5hita, and a bike which could be this year's entry or last years... The chassis is evidently Daytona and the twin motors point to Agni units. As with any development in the TTZero bikes, a bike's battery setup and management can make a huge improvements to its performance so perhaps Komatti-Mirai are playing it safe on the reliability fron and gunning for better energy density from an upgraded pack and controller set up.

I've dug up an old video I shot last year of the start of practice session 2 which is <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nrf2PGs_6KI&feature=youtu.be">here</a> and illustrates fairly clearly the difference in performance between the bikes. Also, if you listen to the difference in the motor speeds you can hear how quiet the Kingston bike IH11 is in comparison to the field whilst still moving off with a decent shove.

Adding the previous results for each team in due course.

Simon

Biff
30 May 2012, 2131
A post about the teams and brief descriptions:

http://green.autoblog.com/2012/05/30/history-will-be-made-at-the-2012-tt-zero-a-preview/


Unfortunately the Kawasaki team (mentioned in the article above) will not be racing. http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/racing/kawasaki-zytek-zx10ev-out-tt-zero/

Biff
01 June 2012, 2026
Seems like Asphalt and Rubber is the best source for information

2 articles on Motoczysz

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-motoczysz-e1pc-photos/
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/2012-motoczysz-e1pc/

one on Mugen
http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/mugen-shinden-photos-isle-of-man-tt/

SplinterOz
02 June 2012, 0316
Live radio here http://www.manxradiott365.com/


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Biff
02 June 2012, 2150
looks like practice may have been canceled due to rain? any news from today?

castrophony
03 June 2012, 0204
looks like practice may have been canceled due to rain? any news from today?

Yes, it was drizzling at 1715 on the Mountain while the lightweight ICE's were out. We were meant to go out at 1755 but the weather was deteroirating so it was called off. As there is no racing today or Tuesday and the bikes take over 6 hours to charge there is no way of squeezing the two qualifying sessions in on Monday. Therefore we will only get 2 outings this year. Weather forecast is dodgy for Monday and ok for Wednesday, but Isle of Man weather is so unpredictable we'll just have to ckutch our amuletsd and dance the sunshine dance!

Simon

castrophony
03 June 2012, 0346
I went for a wander around the paddock yesterday and had a look at the Moto Czysz bikes;
<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6026924-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026924-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Its apparent that the focus has been on the aerodynamic optimisation, whether that means the drive train remains the same or not is a matter of conjecture. Obviously reducing drag will mean that the riders can ride harder for longer with improved range.

Also the Shinden with McGuinness in parc ferme
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026998.jpg

http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026994.jpg

Hiro Matsush1ta on the Komatti Mirai machine, a Triumph 675 frame decked out with brushed motors as expected
<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6026979.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026979.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The ManTTX machine, largely unchanged but refined for this year
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026974.jpg

The Tork racing machine with twin Agnis
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026960.jpg

And most interestingly the Vercarmoto machine. We went and had a chat with the Italian team earlier in the day and were told that it runs a modified R6 6-speed gearbox, weighs 200kg and has a 17Ah battery pack. No info on the motor, but the bike is using a huge radiator to cool the motor(s?). Its a gorgeous bike, all-carbon frame and swingarm and a subframe made from something called "ollomnium" (research needed). According to one of the engineers, it has been in development for two years and was designed specifically for the Isle of Man. Could be a surprise competitor capable getting on the podium, however lack of experience at the TT might hold them back. We were told that the bike has track tested and road tested the necessary range, but it is almost impossible to replicate the TT track for optimising power consumption with track testing due to the high average speed needed to be attained.

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6026964.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6026964.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Its good to see a variety of bikes here, we counted 8 bikes present and ready to race in parc ferme before the session was cancelled:

Both Moto Czysz bikes
Mugen Shinden
IH11 (IH12 won't be racing)
Tork Racing
Komatti Mirai
Vercarmoto
ManTTX

The Lightning bike is known to be on the island but with battery pack under construction (?!) according to Michael Czysz. Also, the Kawasaki Zytek ZX-10EV is present but not running. There has been no appearance by either Brunel or Imperial or any of the 'official' Agni bikes, Sarolea or TGM IOT. Still not a bad showing, it will be especially interesting if the Lightning bike is ready in time for Wednesday.

Simon

Warren
03 June 2012, 0731
"Its apparent that the focus has been on the aerodynamic optimisation"

So, do the rules prohibit an actual tail fairing? I think this is the first time I have seen a motorcycle with rear fender skirts, and tail fins.

seanece
03 June 2012, 0742
......motorcycle with rear fender skirts, and tail fins.

Maybe I am blind, but I do not see any pegs. The Segway bike looks to streamline by tucking the legs/feet into the tail section (knees by Dow Kokam). If it is semi-comfortable, then it is a brilliant/revolutionary idea for aero on electric race bikes. Very jealous of you Castrophony, great photos!

castrophony
03 June 2012, 0805
So, do the rules prohibit an actual tail fairing?

There is no one phrase in the regulations prohibiting the use of something like a fish-tail fairing on the rear, but there are restrictions on how far beyond the rear wheel any bodywork may extend (I think its something like 600mm IIRC) and the height of any fairing; anything short of full streamlining is pretty much ok.
TBH adding a large tapering fairing is less effective than using passive flow control techniques such as those employed on the E1PC bikes because it adds so much more weight, not to mention the skin friction of the added surface area.

There is someone who has turned up, the Austrian TGM IOT project that I thought wasn't present was found lurking in a small tent in the paddock. With a miniscule budget they has comepletely upstaged the new Moto Czysz bikes, at least in terms of aerodynamic optimisation, by going for a feet-forward bike...!

Simon

harlan
03 June 2012, 0808
@Castrophony, did I miss something? Why is IH12 not racing?

Warren
03 June 2012, 0935
"the Austrian TGM IOT project.....going for a feet-forward bike...!"

Ooh! Pictures please.

Warren
03 June 2012, 0940
"I do not see any pegs. The Segway bike looks to streamline by tucking the legs/feet into the tail section"

I definitely see the foot pegs. But perhaps they can hang their ankles in behind those tail fins on long straights...kind of a high version of the old Norton kneeler? But I suspect the fins are actually to straighten out the turbulence coming off their arms and knees.

castrophony
03 June 2012, 1406
"I do not see any pegs. The Segway bike looks to streamline by tucking the legs/feet into the tail section"

The pegs are just bottom left of the Protoype castings engraving on the swingarm. They're black with white nylon end caps.

The winglets on the tail section have not function for the rider's feet, they're there to produce vortices which re-energise the wake of the bike, thereby reducing drag. Effectively they replicate the effect of having a big, tapering tail section without any of the added weight or skin friction.

I was mistaken with TGM IOT bike, the bike I'm talking about is actually the work of a random Austrian dude caled Harold who is planning to finish building (!) his bike and enter it; whether he achieves one or either of those goals is uncertain, but the TGM effort is nowhere to be seen.
I will try and get as many pics as possible over the next couple of days

Simon

Athlon
03 June 2012, 1523
For the "special" material used on the Vecar is just "Aluminium" ... I never meet any "Ollominium" walking around in the workshop

seanece
03 June 2012, 1742
Ahh, now I see the peg. Such a beautiful bike. Again, thanks for the pictures

castrophony
03 June 2012, 2342
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/olimunllum.jpg


I never meet any "Ollominium" walking around in the workshop

My mistake, it is called Olimunllum and is a <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olimunllum">thermoplastic composite material</a> with twice the Young's modulus of aluminium and around 1000kg less per cubic metre density.

We'd never heard of it either; its appearance is very much similar to black anodised aluminium and it can be plastic welded which is a useful manufacturing advantage.

Vercar have really gone all out on weight saving it would appear!

Warren
04 June 2012, 0734
"The winglets on the tail section have not function for the rider's feet, they're there to produce vortices which re-energise the wake of the bike, thereby reducing drag. Effectively they replicate the effect of having a big, tapering tail section without any of the added weight or skin friction."

Keep dreaming! If two little tabs could replace an entire tail fairing, that would be huge news. If they did actual wind tunnel testing, they may have found some small drag reduction. But I assure you it would be small compared to a full tail fairing.

Nuts & Volts
04 June 2012, 0853
"The winglets on the tail section have not function for the rider's feet, they're there to produce vortices which re-energise the wake of the bike, thereby reducing drag. Effectively they replicate the effect of having a big, tapering tail section without any of the added weight or skin friction."

Keep dreaming! If two little tabs could replace an entire tail fairing, that would be huge news. If they did actual wind tunnel testing, they may have found some small drag reduction. But I assure you it would be small compared to a full tail fairing.

Their is no way you can say this for sure. The field of Fluid Dynamics is vastly reliant on experimentation and date collection. Their very limited ability to do back of the napkin calculations when it comes to external flow (ie aerodynamics). A full tail has been proven to improve the aerodynamics, but the winglets could possibly offer the same or more performance gains as castrophony has stated. No equation can prove this only test data and results.

Nuts & Volts
04 June 2012, 0914
Practice Results for the Finish
Michael Rutter
(1) (L1)2012 Motoczysz Elpc 102.508 (22:05.05)
John McGuinness
(3) (L1)MUGEN Shinden 96.953 (23:20.97)
Mark Miller
(2) (L1)2012 Motoczysz Elpc 94.812 (23:52.60)
George Spence
(4) (L1)Ion Horse 1 73.055 (30:59.27)
Olie Linsdell
(6) (L1)MAN TTX 2012 72.706 (31:08.18)
Rob Barber
(14) (L1)Zero Emission TGM 60.501

Mark Miller topped out at 153mph at Sulby!

It looks like 10 teams started the race and only 6 finished (or transponders failed). Lightning started the race along. It also looks like a lot of the team's slowed down in the last few miles by looking at the split times for each section.

More info here http://ttlive.iomtt.com/index.htm

Warren
04 June 2012, 1122
"the winglets could possibly offer the same or more performance gains as castrophony has stated."

The auto industry has been trying to do this for 75 years. If Czysz has managed it, it would be bigger than Google. He could forget electric motorcycles. One hundred mpg cars would be here next year!

liveforphysics
04 June 2012, 1145
"The winglets on the tail section have not function for the rider's feet, they're there to produce vortices which re-energise the wake of the bike, thereby reducing drag. Effectively they replicate the effect of having a big, tapering tail section without any of the added weight or skin friction."

Keep dreaming! If two little tabs could replace an entire tail fairing, that would be huge news. If they did actual wind tunnel testing, they may have found some small drag reduction. But I assure you it would be small compared to a full tail fairing.


You just need to break the vortex you're dragging. Cars are drastically more aero and larger than bikes, and would need massive impractical sized winglets.

I have no trouble believing that winglets could be reducing drag in a very real way, perhaps much better than a practical sized aero tail could do.

castrophony
04 June 2012, 1316
You just need to break the vortex you're dragging. Cars are drastically more aero and larger than bikes, and would need massive impractical sized winglets.

I have no trouble believing that winglets could be reducing drag in a very real way, perhaps much better than a practical sized aero tail could do.

Maybe I should clarify/qualify my previous statement; I did not mean they REPLACE a fishtail fairing, they REPLICATE it's effect. Of course a streamliner is more efficient and the full replication of their aerodynamic function with only traditional fairings would be like striking gold. Rare, unicorn gold. However, where you are restricted in using fully enclosed or streamilne fairing such as in the TT or with production classes, using passive flow control can give remarkable benefits.
I just finished my engineering degree, and spent the last year researching this very subject; for my dissertation, I mounted the Ducati 999 rolling chassis for our TT Zero bike in our wind tunnel at uni to explore the benefit of these techniques. I was initially suspicious, especially considering that you would expect manufacturers to have exhausted all possible methods of improving the aerdodynamic performance of their bikes, however I read numerous sources which stated that apart from traditional concentration on reducing frontal area and reducing flow separation, techniques which interfere with boundary layer behaviour are lacking.
After my testing, I waded through piles of experimental data and was surprised to find that it mainly agreed with the findings of a similar study conducted in the states. That study discovered that using vortex generators could reduce overall drage by up to 8%. I can't remember the comparative figures for a streamlined bike, but a reduction of 8% equates in racing to the difference between 1st and 3rd place on anhy day.

My study used only tiny (8mm wide) vortex generators arranged in groups of five at different points on the fairing but still produced a noticable benefit. There is evidence of this in the aerodspac eindustry, where light aircraft wings can be fitted with arrangements of these devices to reduce stall speeds without compromising performance at cruising velocity.

I'm not saying that I have rewritten the rules or that I know better, but after a year working in this field I can recognise the methods being employed on the Moto Czysz bikes; they haven't wasted their time and money on the features we see here....

liveforphysics
04 June 2012, 1358
I think we're on the same page then. I imagine we will see similar winglets on GP bikes very soon. :-)

castrophony
05 June 2012, 0948
Wow, yesterday was such a busy day there was no time to update this thread! The thread has kind of turned from being information about the teams to being a daily update of the TT Zero bikes, so here's how yesterday went for us;
We started off by paying a visit to Harold, the German who was mistaken for the Austrian TGM entry; his feet-forward bike was still under construction and he had enquired as to whether he can enter the race. The race organiser said it would depend on the solidity of construction but it seemed unlikely. He is hoping to follow the rest of the field down Bray Hill, if only to do justice to the effort and cost of coming all the way from Germany.
His bike uses a scooter frame and a hub-centre motor of some kind, with hand-beaten aluminium bodywork. The rider's feet fit into the front wheel fairing and the whole thing looks very streamlined. Harold's ethos is to buck the trend (of current el moto building) by "looking to the past" for inspiration and thinking outside the box.

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=PICT0011.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/PICT0011.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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The TGM IOT bike did arrive after all, it's builder riding it into scrutineering suffering from controller issues

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6047388.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6047388.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Here are some other shots of bikes from parc ferme;

This year's only other university entry from Brunel showed up with their Daytona 675-based twin Agni BX11 labelled with BX12 labels; we're not sure what the updates are and didn't get a chance to find out yesterday

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=PICT0020.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/PICT0020.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

The largely unchanged ManTTX bike:

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=DSCF1690.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/DSCF1690.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

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The Japanese Komatti Mirai bike, with legendary rider Hiro Matsush1ta getting comfortable:

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6047440.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6047440.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

It would seem we are not the only team to supply our rider with some hand written guides as to where the limits lie on the dashboard info from the bike; Mirai's numerous gauges for temperature and battery SOC have been simplified into limits written on tape;

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6047401.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6047401.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Similarly, Vercar moto's rider Gary Johnson was given instructions from the team's engineers about how to judge the bike's status

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=PICT0022.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/PICT0022.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

castrophony
05 June 2012, 0949
Earlier in the day, we found the Kawasaki Zytek ZX-10EV propped up in the Bournemouth Kawasaki pitch. It would have been interesting to see this bike runnning with it's high-rpm motor mated to a standard ZX-10 gearbox

<a href="http://s47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/?action=view&amp;current=P6047168.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f190/castrophony/The%20Proton%20Ponies/P6047168.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Finally we got a snap of our bikes without anyone spoiling the view...!

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The line-up on the startline drew quite a crowd, and it was eerily quiet for the start of a race on Glencutchery Road

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And even Lightning appeared after apparently rebuilding their battery pack overnight

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Seeing the bikes setting off was the first chance to size up their performance; the Moto Czysz bikes took of rapidly, with only a small reduction apparent in the speed of the Mugen bike. Our rider, George Spence, seemed to launch as quickly and gained speed comparably to the Moto Czysz bikes only without the high-pitched whine of the other bikes. This lack of noise contributes to an impression of the bike being slower we reckon! The Man TTX bike seemed to be suffering transmission issues as the rider moved into position, pinned the throttle only to find the motor spinning up without engaging drive. After paddling forward a loud clunk (accompanied by a collective sound of mechanical sympathy from the crowd) saw the issue resolved the bike set off.
The rest of the field at least made it out of sight, however it soon became apparent that all was not well; Gary Johnson re-emerged from across the road after the Vercarmoto bike got as far as Glen Helen before retiring.
Waiting on the pit wall to see who came over the brown of Glancutchery road first the atmosphere was of quiet tense anticipation. Colin & I watched over the shoulders of a couple of the Czysz team at their laptop screen showing the split times as the bikes passed the various secotrs of the course.
At Ramsey, the Moto Czysz bikes and Mugen bikes in 1st, 2nd and 3rd respectively were on-song for a 103mph lap, with George taking IH11 through the Sulby speed trap at 125mph to Miller's 153mph. Our predicted lap speed at Ramsey was an unbelievable 105mph, however it turned out all was not well...
A tense wait saw first Rutter (who started 2nd) come flying through the finish line at over a ton at around 22minutes, followed by McPint on the Mugen. This left the crowd wondering what happened to Miller who eventually crawled over the line with apparent problems.
After 27 minutes, the Kingston team were worried, when finally a green apparition emerged through the heat-haze down the home straight; George had run out of juice at Signpost between the 36 and 37 mile markers. This was caused by a dashboard issue which left judging the battery status to a set timeframe set out before the race (i.e. to arrive at Ramsey at XXminutes). This also accounted for the bike's incredible speed in the first part of the lap as the rider was unable to judge battery usage. A decidedly warm George paddled the bike into parc ferme and was the final bike to make it "across the line", with all other competitors breaking down on the circuit.
The attrition of Lightning and the TGM IOT can be down to the recent work undertaken on their bikes, however there was no obvious reason why the other entries did not make it round.
The inexperience of the Mugen team might suggest that Mcguinness was being conservative, however lengthy testing should mean that they are dialled-in to their bike's performance so that they don't need to pussy-foot.
The failure of the Czysz bikes' dashboards seems endemic; Rutter seems to be the more frugal rider, being able to bring the bike home to an unofficial 102mph lap whereas Miller is the gas-guzzler of the two, running out unwittingly without the support of dash-info. It remains to be seen whether Czysz can repair or replace the dashboards in time for the race, or instead follow our example from last year and duck-tape a voltmeter to the tank cover!
Our own issue left George also without a dash however the failure so early in the race (at the top of Bray Hill) meant that he had to cope for almost the entire lap without any clue to remaining capacity.
On his return, he was buzzing about the bike's performance on the mountain course. He had commented in testing at Bruntingthorpe that the front wheel would lift under power out of corners and that superbike-like shove put him on the tail of McGuinness. He stated that he was catching the Mugen all the way to Glen Helen, where the twistier road saw the probably stiffer-framed Japanese bike pulll ahead slightly. IH11's suspension was only recently set up by K-Tech and is apparently adjusted under-damped. The pattern of George reeling in McGuinness on the straights and then dropping back on the curves continued up to the Bungalow where the controller started cutting back performance in response to some cells reaching their pre-set low voltage state.

We worked after the race back at our homestay to assess the state of the pack, hooking up a vacuum cleaner to a cold-air vent to cool the roasting-hot pack! Apart from a few cells dropping quite low, everything was fine. An overnight charge saw everything return to normal which was a boon to our confidence in where the limit of the bike's performance is. The dashboard issues was also resolved easily and now the challenge will be on race day for George to balance performance and range to deliver a solid time. We are confident that we will still be locking horns with the Czysz and Mugen bikes, it will certainly be one to watch!
Which brings me to a final moan about the coverage of the event. We were paid a visit by two suits before practice from the Isle of Man development board who were asking other teams whether there was enough coverage of the TT Zero. It was obvious that the purpose of their canvassing of opinion and attendance at the grid that the powers that be are keeping a close eye on the success of this class. We have a briefing sheet and regulations from the race office at the head of which is a statement saying that they are provisional "...due to the experimental nature of the class". This indicates to us that the TT ZEro is still very much 'on probabtion' as far as the race organisers are concerned, and accounts for the lack of coverage afforded to it. for this reason, I think its really important that new teams are encouraged and not deterred by the likes of Mugen and Moto Czysz with their large budgets; without people like mad Harold the German with his feet-forward bike this event will become a two-bike race and become unattractive to the organisers!
I hope this update isn't too laborious to read, it was inspired to be this long because there only seem to be simple times and positions for the practice session on the web...

Ok for now,

Simon

Warren
05 June 2012, 1046
Simon,

Thank you very much for this coverage. And especially thanks for the pix of Harold's bike. As someone most interested in maximum range at 55 mph, Harold's bike is most interesting bike there.

Warren

castrophony
05 June 2012, 1057
Simon,As someone most interested in maximum range at 55 mph, Harold's bike is most interesting bike there.Warren

That's understandable. His bike seems out of kilter with the event, but if you leave aside fastest times/highest average speed his would be among the most efficient designs, which if we recall is one of the best reasons to go electric.
Harold was telling us that there is a performance factor where he outdoes the Mugen bike; apparently the differential in his bikes speed on the flat compared with going down an incline is 40kph greater than the Shinden, which is his proud triumph in the event. We sincererly hope he does get a run.

podolefsky
05 June 2012, 1105
Great pics and write up!

I love the diversity in the field. It's got to be intimidating to go out on track with Mugen and Czysz, but it seems like a healthy amount of camaraderie and sportsmanship. Gonna be one for the history books.

picaroon
05 June 2012, 1116
Your updates are great Simon. I think we are an easy audience to please though! :D
Its great to have the insider information and the quality photo's

Cheers

Dicey
05 June 2012, 1137
Hey Simon,

Wanted to say thanks for the absolutely fantastic updates from the TT Zero. Can't really top hearing what's going on directly from one of the teams. What weight do you think there is to the rumor of the Mugen Shinden running a 20 kWh battery pack? Hope to see you guys put in a quick lap tomorrow as the bike really seemed to show promise on Monday.

Good luck!

Dicey

Square Wave
05 June 2012, 1152
It is incredible to me that the best coverage of this important event is coming from one of the competitors (who must be very busy and short on free time to spend writing) and being posted here on a relatively obscure forum. I went to the IOM TT site and had to search to find mention of the TT Zero. Why aren’t the promoters promoting this event? How will it become well known and popular if it is hidden from casual fans? There aren’t enough people who have built their own electric bike to be an audience to sustain events like this. The promoters need to show the uninitiated what we’re doing.

Anyway, thanks for the excellent coverage Simon! Please keep it coming.

__Tango
05 June 2012, 1310
...

I just finished my engineering degree, and spent the last year researching this very subject; for my dissertation, I mounted the Ducati 999 rolling chassis for our TT Zero bike in our wind tunnel at uni to explore the benefit of these techniques.

...

I'm not saying that I have rewritten the rules or that I know better, but after a year working in this field I can recognise the methods being employed on the Moto Czysz bikes; they haven't wasted their time and money on the features we see here....

BTW, Science with experimentation FTW!

Brammofan
05 June 2012, 1325
That feet-forward bike reminds me of something that Craig Vetter would be trying to enter into the race. I hope they let him run.

And Simon- you are awesome!

Mike Edwards
05 June 2012, 1447
The largely unchanged ManTTX bike

Largely unchanged except for the additional battery packs, new gearbox and a plethora of other modifications over the Winter.

Mike Edwards
05 June 2012, 1453
What weight do you think there is to the rumor of the Mugen Shinden running a 20 kWh battery pack?


The specs. for our bike were in the same ball park so no reason to doubt the Mugen figures given the overall weight of the bike.

castrophony
05 June 2012, 1458
Largely unchanged except for the additional battery packs, new gearbox and a plethora of other modifications over the Winter.

Hi Mike,

Glad to see you contributing; I'm sorry if I missed anything that might have been added to the Man TTX bike, I'm really only going on what I can see/find out from people in the paddock and it's hard to get around everyone. Please do share any major updates and make this thread as comprehensive a resource as possible!

All the best,

Simon

Richard230
05 June 2012, 1728
Ultimate Motorcycling just posted this article about the TT Zero: http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2012/tt-zero-will-riders-break-the-100mph-barrier

magicsmoke
05 June 2012, 1838
It is incredible to me that the best coverage of this important event is coming from one of the competitors (who must be very busy and short on free time to spend writing) and being posted here on a relatively obscure forum. I went to the IOM TT site and had to search to find mention of the TT Zero. Why arenít the promoters promoting this event? How will it become well known and popular if it is hidden from casual fans? There arenít enough people who have built their own electric bike to be an audience to sustain events like this. The promoters need to show the uninitiated what weíre doing.

Anyway, thanks for the excellent coverage Simon! Please keep it coming.

Bit harsh John! You have to keep this in perspective. The TTZero is a tiny part of the TT which actually has a hugely disproportionate amount of money and time devoted to it by the race organisers. The Manx taxpayer (of which I'm one) forks out over £150,000 to stage the TTZero which is broadcast live on Manx Radio (also tax payer subsidised), live on the internet, televised, included in the official DVDs and potentially seen in person by the 40,000 visiting fans. There is also the £10,000 100mph prize, a university prize, and the fact that the IOM govt. bought the TTXGP winning bike which they hawk around various 'cleantech' events to drum up business.
It is not the remit of the race organisers to be journalists, they are there to host the event, but do of course provide a press office with interpreters and free access to the paddock etc for interviews. (by the way, the 'Ultimate Motorcycle' article is a word for word cut and paste from the TT homepage)
I think if you actually tried to find detailed information about any of the ICE teams involved you would reap the same limited return. It aint favouritism.
Whilst I understand your 'casual fans' and 'people who have built their own electric bike' audience comments, they aren't the ones that 'sustain events like this'.
The ones that sustain events like this are the ones that actually come and spend money, and the highly professional teams that engineer purpose built bikes for the world's fastest most punishing road race. It's not a game nor a charity!
Anyway, one thing we agree on 'thanks for the excellent coverage Simon! Please keep it coming.' :)

Rob

Biff
05 June 2012, 2026
Thanks for all the info Simon, it is really great, and very much appreciated.

I agree with magicsmoke, the IOM TT organization is holding up their part to support the less than 10 teams that are competing in the TTZero event, it is really up to us to show our support and interest to the journalists that are providing information on the event. That will prompt them to continue or start to provide the information we all want.

-ryan

liveforphysics
05 June 2012, 2139
Simon! Thank you man!!! Killer job keeping us in the loop! Your posts here are priceless. :-)

Your awesome run-down on things was exactly what I couldn't find in scouring the various motorcycle news sites that just had a dab of surface fluff.

From your info, it seems like with a bit of refined energy management, this race could be anyones! That's awesome news and very exciting! I'm stoaked!

I loved the Cycle Analyst on the dash of the other Japanese bike, that will make my good buddy Justin (he created and makes the cycle analyst) really happy to see. :-)

liveforphysics
05 June 2012, 2207
Also, in respect to the bike running out of juice prematurely, I don't know what cell you're using, and if it's LiFePO4 you've got no useful overcharge ability, but if by chance you've done the through over-charge safety testing and evaluation on the cells behavior when overcharged, and the pack was LiCo, LiMn, LiNiMnCo, going from say 4.2v to 4.35v/cell can hold another ~10-15% energy in many cells, which could translate to another perhaps 2-4miles of race distance if needed. I'm not advising you to overcharge your pack... just saying that some cells do store substantial additional energy between 4.2v to 4.35v at the cost of a few dozen cycles off their life...

If you haven't thoroughly tested the cell's overcharge properties, you shouldn't even think about playing that game though, not that I'm advocating playing it in the first place, just presenting a bit of info.

Skeezmour
05 June 2012, 2219
So true....while most of us would have a hard time risking say a $4000 pack on our street bike, racing is a whole different beast. Taking a chance that a $20-30k race pack may not make it a whole year would be acceptable.

castrophony
05 June 2012, 2347
The view from our homestay in Port Erin this morning

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Misty with drizzle, due to clear up mid-morning. The road is currently soaking but that doesn't mean we won't run if the rain stops for a few hours. Forecast shows tomorrow as being very wet...

magicsmoke
06 June 2012, 0209
Ahh, the Manx summer.
Anyway, I live just around the corner from your homestay so with the race being postponed until this evening, if there's any last minute bits I can help with e.g. hooking you up with engineers / electronics / transport etc. don't hesitate to PM me.

Good luck!
Rob

Mike Edwards
06 June 2012, 0347
Hi Mike,

Glad to see you contributing; I'm sorry if I missed anything that might have been added to the Man TTX bike, I'm really only going on what I can see/find out from people in the paddock and it's hard to get around everyone. Please do share any major updates and make this thread as comprehensive a resource as possible!

All the best,

Simon

Please don't apologise. You seem to be the only person actually taking the time to tell us what is going on over there and I'm very interested in how everything is going. Last year I got more info from the MIT blog than any other source so this year there is an even bigger vacuum.

We spent six months designing out bike and well over six months trying to find the necessary funds to build it. We haven't given up yet even though Mugen are closing the gap on our design I still think we are ahead but how long that will last remains to be seen.

Mike Edwards
06 June 2012, 0353
I find it interesting that all these teams are still using the old 'dash went so we had to guess how much energy we had left' excuse. Whilst it's valid for some of the teams are Motoczysz really trying to tell me their electronics are so basic that the have to manually manage their energy usage?

One of the reasons Mission dominated at Laguna Seca was that their electronics allowed them to use 100% of their available power over race distance and no more. We have been looking at defining energy usage profiles in our electronics to make sure we would make it to the end of a race but still have as much as possible available when we needed it.

magicsmoke
06 June 2012, 0403
Which team are you involved with Mike?
MIST Suzuki?

Rob

Mike Edwards
06 June 2012, 0414
Which team are you involved with Mike?
MIST Suzuki?

MIST Suzuki was our SuperBike team. Still working on a new name for our electric project.

protomech
06 June 2012, 0806
Hope I'm not spoiling it .. but we have racers over the 100 mph mark : )

magicsmoke
06 June 2012, 0833
100+ lap well and truly done.
First 3 home ...

Rutter (MotoCzysz) 104.06mph
McGuinness (Mugen) 102.22mph
Miller (MotoCzsyz) 101.07mph


Hope I'm not spoiling it .. but we have racers over the 100 mph mark : )
What do you mean?

Rob

Nuts & Volts
06 June 2012, 0835
That's awesome news.

It sounds like only 4 bikes were able to finish. Wonder if it was the somewhat wet conditions or machine failures?

Biff
06 June 2012, 0840
Thanks to Susanna (from Gas2.0) for posting tweets during the race.

https://twitter.com/#!/pinkyracr

follow her or comment if you want to show your support for her efforts.

-ryan

Richard230
06 June 2012, 1108
Visor Down just picked up the story: http://www.visordown.com/motorcycle-news--racing-news/rutter-sets-first-electric-100mph-tt-lap/20793.html

podolefsky
06 June 2012, 1126
YEEAHHHHHH!!!! Well done all...espeially Motoczysz. A well deserved victory after years of hard work.

My reading on Mugen was that it is a thinly veiled way for Honda to save face if they didn't win (or even finish). I wonder where they'll go having broken 100 mph, but come in 2nd? Hopefully they'll see this as a great result and press on with the RC-E project.

Warren
06 June 2012, 1434
"Honda...wonder where they'll go having broken 100 mph"

Honda's position is that EV's are dumb, and they will only produce them if forced to. Honda's Fit EV beats Nissan, Mitsubishi, and Ford, on range, charge time, Wh/mile, handling, etc. And they don't care. They are building 1000 to comply with California's rules, period.

As for the IOM TT, the next obvious step is to match the speed of gas bikes at 130 mph, set by second place McGuinness, in 2007. There is little doubt the current top bikes are up to the job. All that is needed is to wait a decade for the super batteries that will store twice as much coal fired energy!

Or they could do what should be done, and go back to work on the aerodynamics problem that was abandoned in the 1950's. It is too late for bigger hammers...ICE or electric. It is time to find elegant solutions to our problems.

Richard230
06 June 2012, 1445
Here is the report by Ultimate Motorcycling on the Motoczysz win. The interesting thing is that the race results seem to be getting about as much coverage as the ICE races and the article says that the grandstands were filled during the race. While racing organizations may not be all that thrilled with el motos, it appears that much of the public and racing fans are.

http://www.ultimatemotorcycling.com/2012/tt-zero-motoczysz-rutter-breaks-100mph

Dicey
06 June 2012, 1459
I'll jump in here and join in congratulating Michael and Motoczysz for breaking the ton by a rather impressive margin. Also, props to Jon McGuinness and the Mugen Shinden team for a very impressive first outing at the TT Zero. Based on reading the IOM TT forums, there is a very mixed sentiment with the TT Zero. Some love it and are looking forward to seeing what happens in the years to come. Others are taking the who cares they've hit the 100 mph lap and get rid of them. I have to agree with Richard that this has to be the most coverage of the TT Zero that I've seen ever. The first TTXGP was no where near this level, and the Manx Radio TT commentators seemed genuinely enthusiastic about the future of these bikes. Great race, good to see three bikes relatively close to each other and at a very rapid pace. Can't wait for the next one. Now if Motoczysz and Mugen would turn up for the rest of the TTXGP or FIM E-power...

Nuts & Volts
06 June 2012, 1506
Someone on Asphalt and Rubber mentioned that beating the sidecar (116.XXX) record would be the next logical step behind first over 110. I have also spoke with someone about potential for making it a two lap race, but that is the wrong direction in my option. Battery Swapping is just about the only option there and would increase budget significantly.

Warren
06 June 2012, 1511
"Someone on Asphalt and Rubber mentioned that beating the sidecar (116.XXX) record would be the next logical step"

At least the sidecar rigs appear to have better aerodynamics.

magicsmoke
06 June 2012, 1520
Yep, good coverage. Just watched an hour long TV programme of the days racing. 20mins sidecars, 20mins supersport, 20mins TTZero.
As for the opinion of the spectators, Dicey's right, it is mixed, but I was stood amongst some as I have been each year and there has been a sea change to the positive.
Now that the 100mph has been achieved, I hope it doesn't deter the likes of MotoCzysz from returning though I would completely understand if they chose not to. On that note, I hope Michael and the rest of his team get the recognition they deserve back home in the states, it's been a long road and a huge money pit for them.

good show chaps.
Rob

Nuts & Volts
06 June 2012, 1601
Yep, good coverage. Just watched an hour long TV programme of the days racing. 20mins sidecars, 20mins supersport, 20mins TTZero.
As for the opinion of the spectators, Dicey's right, it is mixed, but I was stood amongst some as I have been each year and there has been a sea change to the positive.
Now that the 100mph has been achieved, I hope it doesn't deter the likes of MotoCzysz from returning though I would completely understand if they chose not to. On that note, I hope Michael and the rest of his team get the recognition they deserve back home in the states, it's been a long road and a huge money pit for them.

good show chaps.
Rob

Thanks for insight Rob. I will be sure to congratulate and thank Michael Czysz for the work he has done with El Motos and to help birth Electric Motorcycle Racing on the global stage. Hopefully I get the chance at Laguna. I need to buy that plane ticket...

ETcelerate
07 June 2012, 0203
Congratulations to the teams from MotoCzysz and Mugen Shinden for their > 100 mph average-lap-speed results. Great to see emcs earning more race respect and receiving positive press. Here's an IOM TT Zero YT vid showing some impressive speeds.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LPTseOvJXDc

ETcelerate
07 June 2012, 0206
Interesting video trying to capture the progression of speed from 2010 - 2012.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5bAQf7YqYSU

ETcelerate
07 June 2012, 1319
Great article in Gizmag about the IOM TT Zero race and the future of emc racing.

Honda bursts onto the electric motorcycle racing scene at IOM but Segway MotoCzysz prevails. (http://www.gizmag.com/motoczysz-iom-ttzero-2012-win/22688/?utm_source=Gizmag+Subscribers&utm_campaign=4c58687fef-UA-2235360-4&utm_medium=email)

Here's a couple of my favorite lines from the article.


Czysz has developed exquisite technology that can rightfully claim to be world beating as of this moment, but Honda is clearly coming after the mantle of the world's fastest EV producer, and it brings with it a full hand of knowledge in a wide range of relevant technologies, and enough money to get the job done, whatever that takes.


John McGuinness when interviewed after the race, revealed some interesting information. He said he'd ridden most of the race at 50% power but towards the end he was told that he could use 60% power. "So I turned it up to 60% and didn't it go then," he said, indicating that a LOT more power was available for shorter circuits.

Enjoyed reading the comments too. I hadn't even thought about what paulblez pointed out about the lap time comparisons with ice bikes.


... those 'ton-up' laps were all achieved from a standing start, whereas all the petrol/gasoline fastest race laps are always set on flying laps. The sooner TTzero goes up to two laps the better, IMHO. It's what Azhar Hussain wanted to do for 2010 and as Cedric Lynch says, it would make aerodynamics much more important! PNB

Brammofan
07 June 2012, 1355
Not sure how long it will be up, but ITV4 coverage of the race is here:
http://blip.tv/rossifumi/2012-isle-of-man-tt-zero-6191496

ETcelerate
07 June 2012, 1428
Bitchin' video! Thanks for sharing. Commentators seem fairly impressed. "He is crackin' on".

A-Bomb
07 June 2012, 1437
Thanks Brammofan, watching it now, well buffering anyway.

moon
07 June 2012, 1545
Not sure how long it will be up, but ITV4 coverage of the race is here:
http://blip.tv/rossifumi/2012-isle-of-man-tt-zero-6191496

Great video, thanks for sharing! Wish the announcers would've stopped talking a bit while the bikes were taking off the start line. That race must be a blast to ride.

Also, I thought MotoCzysz was pronounced moto-sizz (as in sizzle) instead of -shiz.

Brammofan
07 June 2012, 1637
Also, I thought MotoCzysz was pronounced moto-sizz (as in sizzle) instead of -shiz.
I am reasonably certain that it is pronounced "sizz" not "shiz." But you know those Brits. They spell "color" as "colour" among other oddities. :D

Dicey
07 June 2012, 1656
Find that interesting Mark mentioned that they were only going up to half throttle if I heard him correctly. Very interesting indeed.

podolefsky
07 June 2012, 1759
Find that interesting Mark mentioned that they were only going up to half throttle if I heard him correctly. Very interesting indeed.

Yeah - it wasn't totally clear what that was about, but I think they limited power to have enough energy to finish the race. That's why at one point he upped it to 60% because he could see he had enough juice left.

Would be interesting to see what the bike can do on a short course.

Dicey
07 June 2012, 1844
It was McGuinness who upped his power to 60% not Mark Miller. So it means both teams have quite a bit in reserve waiting for batteries that will let them put down more power for the duration of the lap.

podolefsky
07 June 2012, 1926
Ah - yup, you're right. At the beginning when they're asking Mark about cornering in the wet, he says the're only going about half throttle.

ARC EV Racing
08 June 2012, 0231
I am reasonably certain that it is pronounced "sizz" not "shiz." But you know those Brits. They spell "color" as "colour" among other oddities. :D

I tried to stop myself by I cant, i've taken the bait! A funny quote i read the other day as a retort - "There is no such thing as American English. There is English and there are mistakes."
:cool:

Nothing like bridge building hey! lol

teddillard
08 June 2012, 0257
I tried to stop myself by I cant, i've taken the bait! A funny quote i read the other day as a retort - "There is no such thing as American English. There is English and there are mistakes."
:cool:

Nothing like bridge building hey! lol

"Two peoples separated by a common language..."

- George Bernard Shaw

:rolleyes:

jonescg
08 June 2012, 0558
There is English, Australian English, and Strine ;)

Awesome results from the TT Zero. Well done E-moto enthusiasts, we are all driving this in no small way :D

podolefsky
08 June 2012, 0836
I am reasonably certain that it is pronounced "sizz" not "shiz." But you know those Brits. They spell "color" as "colour" among other oddities. :D


you pronounce the "cz" like "j".

DaveAK
08 June 2012, 0854
you pronounce the "cz" like "j".
I'm British. I pronounce it any ****ing way I like! :D

podolefsky
08 June 2012, 0919
I'm British. I pronounce it any ****ing way I like! :D

sorry...I think my joke might be lost on ye of good manners.

I'm American and take great pride in our enthusiasm for potty humor.

DaveAK
08 June 2012, 1325
sorry...I think my joke might be lost on ye of good manners.

I'm American and take great pride in our enthusiasm for potty humor.
It was lost on me. But not through good manners, just a lack of sounding out the words. :D