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Richard230
17 June 2014, 0744
Maybe. Maybe not. But it does look cool, other than the Buell muffler. :confused: The rider could use a helmet, though. :rolleyes:

http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/rumors/electric-harley-davidson-spotted-hollywood-set/#more-65333

SplinterOz
17 June 2014, 2055
Where are you seeing the exhaust?

Spoonman
18 June 2014, 0213
I expect he's referring to the black bit at the rear of what looks like a motor housing at the bottom of the battery pack (running longitudinally though which is why I say "looks like" - odd config) in between the footpegs there. The Buell's had a centralised exhaust back-box/muffler which sat in that position.

To be fair - I can see the similarity - although that's clearly not what it is.

I'd be very interested to see a shot of the other side of the bike.

Spoonman
18 June 2014, 0217
On another note - did anyone else notice all the weight strips on the insides of the wheels?

..looking forward to seeing what sort of stunts they're trying that they need that much gyroscopic help to keep the bike stable - although, it could also be that they're genuinely required to make up for what's lost along with the replacement of the ICE.

Spoonman
18 June 2014, 0222
http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.0

Shot of the right hand side of the bike, good shot from the front too.

No clutch lever, sidestand where the gear lever would usually be ... still fascinated by the apparent longitudinal arrangement of the motor.

SplinterOz
18 June 2014, 0450
I personally think the "motor" (shiny bit at the bottom) is dressing and not the real motor.
In the front shot I kinda like the mirror / indicator combo.

In summary this is a harley I would buy.

Richard230
18 June 2014, 1552
Motorcycle.com has more information here, along with some interesting closeup photos of the bike. They are calling it the Harley "Livewire", which is apparently a H-D trademark name. The article includes a very short video, which appears to be H-D originated. There is also mention of an H-D announcement to be made tomorrow, perhaps having to do with this motorcycle.

http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/scoop-electric-harley-davidson-livewire-nearing-production.html

robo
18 June 2014, 2135
I'd heard buzz about this, but I hadn't seen any pictures. Thanks.

I generally really like the looks of it, but something about the proportion or spacing of the rear wheel/swingarm in relation to the rest of the bike doesn't sit right with my eye. Still slick though.

It might even be a lightweight Harley. Those are two words I don't believe I've said next to each other.

Kudos to them.

Spoonman
19 June 2014, 0237
http://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/scoop-electric-harley-davidson-livewire-nearing-production.html

Oh that link just got me properly giddy!!

Loving that tease video clip!! :D :D

They've an announcement page up: http://project.harley-davidson.com/en_IE

Hugues
19 June 2014, 0348
But then if the Harley sound is gone, what's left of an Harley ?

Spoonman
19 June 2014, 0538
That's exactly the right question!

This is a completely new company direction.

Spoonman
19 June 2014, 0546
Ride review just went live:

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/06/19/harley-davidson-livewire-electric-motorcycle-first-ride-review-photos-video/


I would definitely have that - feckin' gorgeous!!

Spaceweasel
19 June 2014, 0752
Video from Harley Davidson - this thing looks really cool!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t6F8O5A__Ds

Richard230
19 June 2014, 0754
Here is another article: http://www.businessweek.com/news/2014-06-19/electric-hogs-roll-across-u-dot-s-dot-as-harley-tests-no-exhaust-demand

I wonder if H-D is going into the "carbon credit" or "cap-and-trade" business? That bike will definitely attract another type of customer, one that most likely will not be welcome in a "biker" bar.

This A&R updated article includes specifications: http://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/leaked-details-harley-davidson-livewire/

Lots of studio photos here: http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/19/5823818/harley-davidson-electric-motorcycle-project-livewire-tour

Spoonman
19 June 2014, 0946
Right - so I've been trying to cobble together a full spec.

Just found a range quoted here (http://indefinitelywild.gizmodo.com/what-harley-davidsons-first-electric-motorcycle-means-1592983608) at 53miles (85km).

The picture I've attached is a screenshot of the dashboard in that first ride review video and it suggest 15mile @ 25% charge, which falls broadly in line with the above.

That's pretty poor, and certainly doesn't tally with a 14kWh battery a mentioned in the earlier first ride article.
The thing it does tell us though is that it's a high voltage pack, meaning that high motor RPM is a certainty.

The article linked above also gives out about the 95mph top speed - I'd have said that was pretty damn good for a HD!

Commonly mentioned is a 53ft.lb torque figure - now that's either plain wrong or is a "crank" figure - you couldn't spin up a tire the way it does in ride review video, or hit 0-100k in 4sec with that little torque. Hell the Zero makes ~60ft.lbs and claims 5.8sec, and it doesn't get off the line anything like that!

There's likely a bevel gear with a (purely speculative) ~3.5:1 reduction at the drive end of the motor, meaning potentially ~175ft.lbs at the front sprocket, and then whatever the final sprocket ratio is after that* - which would be far more like what I'd expect for that 0-60 time and that tire squeal off the line, whilst an 9-10krpm rev ceiling for the motor would still giving it enough to approach the ton even with that gear reduction.

* if you assume about 2.5:1 (14 tooth front, 35 tooth rear) that puts you roughly in the region of peak torque of:

- an NC24 (VFR400) in 2nd gear [peak torque of 29ft.lbs, primary reduction 2.117, final reduction 2.75, 2nd gear reduction 2.35. Total reduction ~13.7 -> ~400ft.lbs peak at the rear wheel excluding drivetrain losses]

- or a TL1000S in 4th [peak 77ft.lbs, primary 1.83, final 2.34, 4th gear 1.23. Total reduction 5.04 -> ~390ft.lbs]

Those are the only bikes that I've got full gearing ratios to hand for - that's also roughly the performance delivered by an AC15 motor on a 96V 650A controller @ 5:1 gearing - so it's both realistic and achievable.

Zero on the other hand use an axial flux motor, and they or course tend to have higher peak torque but significantly less RPM, which would explain why the Livewire could gear lower and get more whack at the rear wheel without sacrificing the top end.


SO, in summary, here's the speculative spec sheet.

Battery: ~11kWh (based on Zero SR power consumption and range); ~360V
Motor: 6-pole radial flux induction motor
Peak power: 74bhp (~55kW)
Peak torque: 53ft.lbs (at the crank)
Performance 0-60: 4sec (claimed)
Range: ~100km (we could potentially assume that to be a "ragging the hell out of it figure" if we're willing to assume that the test bike has been ridden hard the BMS is basing the remaining range on the previous ~15minutes of use [that's how the Leaf does things] )
Front brake: Single 320mm rigid rotor & 2-pot single sided caliper
Rear brake: Single pot caliper on standard rigid rotor
Front tyre: Michelin Scorcher 120/70R17
Rear tyre: Michelin Scorcher 180/55R17
Rear suspension: Direct acting monoshock, external reservoir with some apparent adjustment available
Front suspension: Twin USD's with what looks like preload only
Charging standard: unknown (J1772/ChaDeMo/custom?)
Charge time: ~3.5hrs
Price: ??? anyones guess - I'd expect ~20K if it's only a 10kWh battery, up to 26k if they bump that up to 15kWh.


That's as much as I can figure - feel free to edit an amend as appropriate.

Nuts & Volts
19 June 2014, 1108
That's pretty poor, and certainly doesn't tally with a 14kWh battery a mentioned in the earlier first ride article.

14kWh is a very uneducated guess with a range figure of 53miles. My guess is that they have a 7kWh battery pack and went for a cheaper/lighter package than a Zero.

[QUOTE=Spoonman;44610]The thing it does tell us though is that it's a high voltage pack, meaning that high motor RPM is a certainty.

This isn't necessarily true in all cases especially with an induction motor. But I do agree that the motor most likely spins up above 10k RPM.


Zero on the other hand use an axial flux motor, and they or course tend to have higher peak torque but significantly less RPM, which would explain why the Livewire could gear lower and get more whack at the rear wheel without sacrificing the top end..

Zero does not have an axial motor. I personally have two of the motors and they are both radial flux machines with a large radius which is what helps produce the high torque they have. They are RPM limited, but the centrificial forces on the rotor when it spins much about 6000RPM.

Question, where did you see it mentioned that the motor was 6pole?

For what it's worth I dont think this would see production for another 2-3years. Seems mostly a way to collect data, test technology and gain marketing.

Richard230
19 June 2014, 1405
I note that a quick shot of the instrument panel in the CW video showed a pack voltage of 300V. I read somewhere today that they are using a Mission Motors motor and electronics, which sounds about right. I can really see H-D paying MM to consult with their engineers during the building of this prototype, rather than trying to do it themselves from scratch. But from the engineers' comments I agree that it sounds like the bike, if H-D decides to build it, is at least 2 or 3 years away from production.

electriKAT
19 June 2014, 1503
So they do some R&D, gauge interest, and then produce a refined product; nothing wrong with that approach. BMW converted a batch of Mini Coopers first with help from AC Propulsion, then built a bunch of 1 series cars called ActiveE, all before they brought out the i3. And the i3 is awesome.

Spoonman
19 June 2014, 1621
[QUOTE=Spoonman;44610]That's pretty poor, and certainly doesn't tally with a 14kWh battery a mentioned in the earlier first ride article.

14kWh is a very uneducated guess with a range figure of 53miles. My guess is that they have a 7kWh battery pack and went for a cheaper/lighter package than a Zero.


Agreed - definitely a smaller pack alright



Zero does not have an axial motor. They are RPM limited, but the centrificial forces on the rotor when it spins much about 6000RPM.


Now that I'm surprised by - I had assumed that the larger diameter was on that account. In any case, yeah, it's that extra diameter that both provides the extra torque and restricts the rev limit.



Question, where did you see it mentioned that the motor was 6pole?


I didn't - that much was an assumption.



For what it's worth I dont think this would see production for another 2-3years. Seems mostly a way to collect data, test technology and gain marketing.

Was talking to the two national outfits here earlier today and what they're saying falls in line with that assertion. They're basically going on a "public opinion tour" for the next ~18 months or more and there's little intention to actually deliver anything until about another 12months after that.

Having said that, test rides in the US will be available this year - granted, you'll have to be on the tour route and schedule, but the chance is there. They aren't due to hit Europe until late summer next year.

protomech
20 June 2014, 0412
Also:

Weight 460 lbs (latimes)
Showa USD forks
Top speed 92 mph, electronically limited
Motor torque 52 ft-lb, 48 ft-lb at 8000 rpm peak power point (74 HP / 55 kW)

I wrote up a summary here, including a list of speculative tour cities based upon a map shown in their invested relations video.

http://protomech.wordpress.com/2014/06/20/harley-davidson-project-livewire/

Richard230
20 June 2014, 0722
If the H-D Livewire circus comes to SF, which is very likely, they will be at the Dudley Perkins Harley dealership on Corry Way in South San Francisco (just north of the SF Airport).

yankee1919
20 June 2014, 0742
Hello All,

I almost spilled my coffee this morning about the news of HD Livewire cycle, I would never imagine Harley getting on this, what is going to happen to "Harley Owner Group, HOG",

HOGE (Harley Owners Group Electric?). With an estimate mileage of 56 miles? My old sportster with its peanut tank got me 90! What about "loud pipes saves lives!" What about" "

quite noise is cool?

Where is my Harley Vest!

Tony

Richard230
20 June 2014, 0825
My son-in-law said that his head exploded when he heard about the H-D Livewire. :O

DRZ400
20 June 2014, 1101
Looks like they copied Noahs GSXR!

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/harley-davidson-livewire/

Electro Flyers
20 June 2014, 1104
Looks like they copied Noahs GSXR!

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/harley-davidson-livewire/

My first impression too.

Richard230
20 June 2014, 1408
My newspaper published an article written by M. I. Johnson of the AP in the business section today. So now that I see the story in print, I finally believe it. :rolleyes: The LiveWire is getting a lot more press than Zero ever did.

The article quotes H-D President Matt Levatich as saying: "We think that the trends in both EV technology and customer openness to EV products, both automotive and motorcycles, is only going to increase, and when you think about sustainability and environmental trends, we just see that being an increasing part of the lifestyle and the requirements of riders. So nobody can predict right now how big that industry will be or how significant it will be."

Naturally the article picked up on someone's statement somewhere that the bike will go 130 miles on a single charge and only take 30 to 60 minutes to fully recharge. Oh well, it is hard to always check facts when you are in a hurry to meet a deadline. :rolleyes:

Zero did get a mention as being the first full-size electric motorcycle to enter production in 2010 (no mention of the Electric Motorsport GPR-S, which was introduced in 2009 and was at least as full sized as the first Zero, though). Zero's vice president of Global Marketing, Scot Harden, was quoted as saying that Zero "expects" to sell 2,400 bikes this year.

The article quotes EV experts as predicting that if H-D gets into the production EV market it will be good for all electric motorcycle manufacturers as doing so will create greater awareness of and demand for electric bikes. The term "a rising tide raises all boats" was mentioned.

Warren
22 June 2014, 0656
I love "the press." The Chicago Tribune thinks there are 22 of these in that truck. Any idea where they got that idea? [edit] Maybe there are. I see two in the video with the company CEO.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/business/breaking/la-fi-hy-harley-davidson-electric-livewire-20140618,0,3478884,full.story

And an "EV expert" told Wired the battery pack weighs 250 pounds! Maybe 10 kWh of five year old Thunderskys. :-)

http://www.wired.com/2014/06/harley-davidson-livewire/

Warren
22 June 2014, 1150
Can't say I see the logic of a longitudinal motor going through bevel gears, only to go to a toothed belt drive. I'd think shaft drive to beveled gears would have made more sense.

This is a classic example of the dancing bear news story. It isn't news because of how well it is done. :-)

Richard230
22 June 2014, 1428
Can't say I see the logic of a longitudinal motor going through bevel gears, only to go to a toothed belt drive. I'd think shaft drive to beveled gears would have made more sense.

This is a classic example of the dancing bear news story. It isn't news because of how well it is done. :-)

I think H-D went with the longitudinal motor for packaging and styling reasons (which makes sense to me), plus their stated reason that it makes more noise when running (which sounds like a lame reason to me).

electriKAT
25 June 2014, 1222
Here (http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/24/5837642/riding-project-livewire-harley-davidson-first-electric-motorcycle)is a review of the New York City tour stop. Reviews are mostly positive.

Hugues
25 June 2014, 1256
Here (http://www.theverge.com/2014/6/24/5837642/riding-project-livewire-harley-davidson-first-electric-motorcycle)is a review of the New York City tour stop. Reviews are mostly positive.

an engineered sound they say in the video,....mmmm.....let me see...i just need to find someone to machine a large pulley so i can get rid of this damn noisy chain, then I can "engineer" a cool sound too.

electriKAT
25 June 2014, 1527
Yeah, that seems silly to me, but they are making a really big deal about the sound of the electric bike because the sound is such an iconic part of their gas bikes. On video it doesn't sound much different than any other electric bike. It's got that cool jet turbine whine that I love.

EVcycle
26 June 2014, 0229
I had no less than 5 (non Elmoto) folks email me different articles about this. Maybe because we both have a Harley and the Cafe Bike.

I would not mind being a test rider.. :)

Hugues
26 June 2014, 0315
I also like this jet turbine whine, wonder which part of the drive is contributing to this. My 13 tooth sprocket does not whine, it rattles. One can also use a speaker in sync with the bike speed, high frequencies are easy to reproduce.

Richard230
26 June 2014, 1054
Here is a short ride review of the LiveWire by Susan Carpenter. I note that she says the bike's range is about 30 miles when in "power" mode and H-D claims the LiveWire weighs 360 pounds. Level 2 charging requires 3.5 hours to fully recharge. Top speed is at least 92mph. Otherwise no more new info: http://www.autoblog.com/2014/06/26/harley-davidson-livewire-first-ride-review-video/

Warren
26 June 2014, 1133
Hugues,

"I also like this jet turbine whine, wonder which part of the drive is contributing to this."

Beveled gears.

BenNelson
27 June 2014, 1146
Hey guys,
I visited the Harley Museum last night where they were doing the official Milwaukee launch. There were 6 LiveWires there, plus the 1979 electric sportster I brought with. I shot some stills and video interviews, asking people's opinions after seeing the LiveWire. They had a LiveWire on a dyno, where people could test it out.
See the video and photos on my BLOG POST. (http://300mpg.org/?p=4403)

electriKAT
27 June 2014, 1716
Thanks for putting that up Ben. It's encouraging to hear so many positive responses. Did you speak with anyone who hated it?

Richard230
30 June 2014, 0730
Check out this review of the H-D LiveWire by a Brammo Empulse owner who rode 200 miles to the Harley museum on his Empulse, spoke to the H-D LiveWire engineers and went for a test ride. A great writeup and pictures to follow:

http://brammoforum.com/index.php?topic=2572.105;topicseen

Warren
30 June 2014, 0854
OK. I will be the one to link to Ted's review. :-)

http://evmc2.wordpress.com/2014/06/28/harley-davidson-project-livewire-hits-boston-and-lets-me-ride-one/

CaptainKlapton
07 July 2014, 1341
Several of the top custom motorcycle designers briefly discuss the LiveWire project and electrics in general.
http://www.bikeexif.com/motorcycle-design

Warren
20 October 2015, 0903
Maybe it's time for them to go electric? :-)

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-20/harley-davidson-stops-cruising-and-starts-fighting

So Harley means freedom. I always thought it meant obsolete.

Kenneth
27 January 2017, 0106
I can supply the Harley sound:) www.EVSoundSystem.com

Richard230
27 January 2017, 0712
I can supply the Harley sound:) www.EVSoundSystem.com

But can you supply an actual electric Harley that needs that sound? :rolleyes:

Richard230
06 November 2018, 0829
Here are the latest photos from the EICMA show. Still nothing about specifications or pricing, though: https://electrek.co/2018/11/06/harley-davidson-livewire-electric-motorcycle-production/

Warren
06 November 2018, 1526
They are saying it does DC fast charge, so they must be running at least 200 volts for that to work reliably, right?

Richard230
06 November 2018, 1838
They are saying it does DC fast charge, so they must be running at least 200 volts for that to work reliably, right?

I seem to recall that the prototype was running something like 300 volts.

Ted Dillard
07 November 2018, 0346
They are saying a lot of things. The original prototypes didn't have chargers. Do you see a DC fast charger on these mockups? Or any charger?

Somebody in marketing slapped some bodywork on one of the prototypes, mined some specs that sound awesome (300 mile range, I've seen quoted) and keeps his job for another 6 months. Sorry, you know I have a short burn for this bullshit.

Richard230
07 November 2018, 0700
Just wait until you see the LiveWire's price. :rolleyes: As a H-D "premium" vehicle, I expect it will be priced right up there with their CVO motorcycles. Last night, in the December issue of Rider Magazine, I read about their latest 117CI CVO full-dress bagger, which is priced at a staggering $43,900! So when it comes to pricing the LiveWire - the sky is the limit. :O

Warren
07 November 2018, 2126
Just wait until you see the LiveWire's price. :rolleyes: As a H-D "premium" vehicle, I expect it will be priced right up there with their CVO motorcycles. Last night, in the December issue of Rider Magazine, I read about their latest 117CI CVO full-dress bagger, which is priced at a staggering $43,900! So when it comes to pricing the LiveWire - the sky is the limit. :O

OMG! You might actually be able to get a Tesla Model 3 for less...someday. :-)

Warren
07 November 2018, 2134
Oops! Sorry. I was remembering the bevel gear noise, and thinking the original had shaft drive, but that was not the case.

Richard230
08 November 2018, 0725
There is a 40-second video providing the sound of the new LiveWire in this article. Sounds just like the sound an Energica makes to me. This article also has lots of adjectives describing the Wire, but few concrete facts or specifications. The only thing that caught my attention is that all H-D dealers will have a public Level 3 DC fast charging station at each shop. Good luck getting their dealers out in the boondocks to pay for those :rolleyes: : https://electricmotorcycles.news/harley-davidson-releases-further-details-on-2019-livewire-at-eicma-2018/

Warren
08 November 2018, 0739
Actually, they said any dealer that handles the Livewire will have to install one, which pretty much ensures that no dealer outside southern California will carry them.

On the other hand, GM said the same thing about the Chevy Bolt. It has been a year and a half since we bought ours. The dealer we bought from, and the local dealer who did a software update, have yet to install theirs.

Ted Dillard
08 November 2018, 0837
From that story, the HD press release:

"Charging can be completed using the on-board Level 1 charger that plugs into a standard household outlet with a power cord that stores below the motorcycle seat. LiveWire can also be charged with a Level 2 or Level 3, DC Fast Charge (DCFC), through a SAE J1772 connector, (USA), or CCS2 – IEC type 2 charging connector in international markets. All Harley-Davidson dealers who sell the LiveWire motorcycle will offer a public charging station with DCFC."

Warren
08 November 2018, 1558
LiveWire can also be charged with a Level 2 or Level 3, DC Fast Charge (DCFC), through a SAE J1772 connector, (USA)



Good luck getting DC out of an SAE J1772 connector. The J1772 is strictly 120/240 AC. DC charging, in the USA, requires either a CCS or CHademo connector.

Doesn't give me much confidence when they don't even know what connector they need for DC charging. :-)

Richard230
13 November 2018, 1649
Here is a link to a long, interesting and informative history article about the Motor Company: https://jalopnik.com/how-harley-davidsons-all-in-bet-on-its-past-crippled-it-1830332227

But if you want to read the author's speculation regarding the future of the LiveWire you will need to go to the very end of his blog.

Ted Dillard
14 November 2018, 0731
Pretty much the entire debacle called "Harley Davidson" post about 1966 can be summed up in this comment:

“'We’re in the fashion business,' Willie Davidson, the grandson of Harley co-founder William A. Davidson told People in 1981."

Richard230
07 January 2019, 0803
The H-D LiveWire is getting closer to entering the market: https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html#intcmp_HP_BB1_livewire

But will H-D also offer a German WWI steel helmet with a lightning bolt on the top instead of the usual spike for LiveWire owners to wear while riding the new bike? :D

furyphoto
07 January 2019, 1451
$30K- Um NO!

I actually really like the look of the bike, and the test ride was pretty fun, but Thirty Thousand!? How is it any more special than a Zero at half the price?

They are going to sell about 6 of them.

Richard230
07 January 2019, 1520
$30K- Um NO!

I actually really like the look of the bike, and the test ride was pretty fun, but Thirty Thousand!? How is it any more special than a Zero at half the price?

They are going to sell about 6 of them.

Did I miss something? Where did it say that the price would be $30K USD? I can certainly believe that H-D would price the bike like that, but I didn't see that in the FAQ section. (However, the site does seem to have been updated since I looked at it a few hours ago.

However, I did see the "city range" of 110 miles. That is just slightly over half of the city range of my Zero. I also note that you can charge from a standard L2 charging station, but it will only charge at L1 rates. Not very useful to anyone riding any distance and Level 3 stations are not all that frequently encountered out in the wild.

I would say that you would be getting more for your money buying an Energica. Plus, you get Italian styling.

Richard230
07 January 2019, 1617
I found the source of the MSRP for the LiveWire: https://www.rideapart.com/articles/300074/harley-davidson-finally-releases-livewire/

Richard230
07 January 2019, 1624
And more information and comments here: https://techcrunch.com/2019/01/07/harley-davidson-reveals-more-about-its-push-into-electric-vehicles/

furyphoto
07 January 2019, 1640
Also, below the photo on the link you posted earlier today "Starting at $29,799" and "coming August 2019" just in time for the end of riding season.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html

Richard230
07 January 2019, 1821
Also, below the photo on the link you posted earlier today "Starting at $29,799" and "coming August 2019" just in time for the end of riding season.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/livewire.html

That wasn't there when I first saw that link. A lot of other things have changed since then, too. :confused:

Ted Dillard
08 January 2019, 0624
I wonder if that motor housing is still plastic...

Richard230
08 January 2019, 0700
I wonder if that motor housing is still plastic...

For the kind of money that H-D is charging for the LiveWire, it sure ought to be made of aluminum. Besides, aluminum could act as a heat sink for the motor and gearbox.

Ted Dillard
08 January 2019, 0935
They sure do talk a lot about that smartphone connect crap on the website. It might lead one to suspect there's another agenda there (IP maybe?) if one were given to such suspicions... :D

PS, I distinctly remember one of the things that made me like riding motorcycles was the fact that there was no phone involved.

Richard230
09 January 2019, 0711
H-D also shows off an electric scooter and a bicycle. I wonder if the scooter will be named the Topper? The headlight on the scooter looks like it is missing something. :confused:
https://electricmotorcycles.news/harley-davidson-reveals-two-groundbreaking-lightweight-electric-concepts-at-ces-2019/

Richard230
09 January 2019, 0814
Here is a link to a 17-minute long video detailing the features of the H-D liveWire. Kind of interesting, but what I really enjoyed reading were the comments below the video. The people posting comments really dumped on the poor bike, mostly about its price. Some of those guys are really funny. Most of them feel that the LiveWire is going to be a real dust collector in H-D showrooms - after a few are purchased by "rich dudes": https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5EKvj_u8C28

Stevo
09 January 2019, 1121
Screw that... $30 grand will buy you a beautiful low mile used Porsche!

Ted Dillard
09 January 2019, 1139
I might be missing something but I haven't seen anything on the specs that is better than a Zero SR. Which you could almost by two of for that price.

Richard230
09 January 2019, 1531
I might be missing something but I haven't seen anything on the specs that is better than a Zero SR. Which you could almost by two of for that price.

Well, it does come with a Blue Tooth app that allows you to do various things besides ride your LiveWire. You can probably use it to serenade the neighborhood as you ride along, take calls from your buddies and maybe even listen to a really loud potato, potato, exhaust sound to remind you what you are missing by riding an electric motorcycle. :rolleyes: And it is free - for the first year, after which you have to pay a subscription fee to continue to use it. :( My Zero app is not only free, but it gets updated regularly. (Not always a good thing, though, and it doesn't let me make phone calls or watch a movie while I am riding along.)

Warren
20 February 2019, 1316
The world is truly tiny, and weird. I grew up 7.2 miles from Brooks Stevens house, and museum.

https://www.hemmings.com/blog/2009/11/11/lost-museums-brooks-stevens-automotive-museum-milwaukee-wisconsin/

I used to go there to drool over the amazing vehicles in his collection, like this Talbot-Lago, one of 14 made. This is probably the one from the museum, as it is in the US, and I remember the steel airfoil tubing bumpers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Talbot-Lago#/media/File:1938_Talbot_Teardrop_SS_150_(coachwork_by_Fig oni_%26_Falaschi_(7563067512).jpg

To make an EV connection, notice the door handles that worked like those on the Model 3. You pushed on the fat end to make the handle stick out.

About the time I built my '67 Bonneville cafe racer, and my buddy Dennis had his Sportster, this bike was at the museum. Being lead acid powered, it didn't get me excited then, and I forgot about it, until this piece jogged my memory.

https://electrek.co/2019/02/20/diy-electric-motorcycle-harley-davidson/

If Ted will permit me to carry on a bit farther with this brain fart. :-) When they closed the one room schoolhouse I first went to, that was half way between Brooks' museum, and my parents' house, they sent us to the new consolidated grade school, in Grafton. My strongest memory from that school was "little Oscar" driving up to the school in the Wienermobile, and doing a magic show in our cafeteria. I just discovered that Stevens designed that too. :-)

Richard230
05 March 2019, 1555
Ride Apart expounds on the H-D LiveWire: https://www.asphaltandrubber.com/bikes/harley-davidson-livewire-dc-fast-charging/

Ted Dillard
18 March 2019, 1254
No no no, I hope it is not gonna happen soon. But, considering that all major car manufactures are moving toward electric car, I believe it is not possible to avoid it. I am in love with this model https://bike.net/Harley-Davidson/33834-Sport_Glide_2018 and can't imagine HD become an e-moto.
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Right, right - because god forbid you get something new to experience. ;)

Spoonman
18 March 2019, 1416
No no no, I hope it is not gonna happen soon. But, considering that all major car manufactures are moving toward electric car, I believe it is not possible to avoid it. I am in love with this model https://bike.net/Harley-Davidson/33834-Sport_Glide_2018 and can't imagine HD become an e-moto.
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....aaaand how did you come to wind up on here exactly?... :o

Stevo
19 March 2019, 0841
No no no, I hope it is not gonna happen soon. But, considering that all major car manufactures are moving toward electric car, I believe it is not possible to avoid it. I am in love with this model https://bike.net/Harley-Davidson/33834-Sport_Glide_2018 and can't imagine HD become an e-moto.
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21st century technology made with 1950's tooling??

Warren
18 August 2019, 0739
My favorite electric Harley, so far. Affordable too.

https://www.harley-davidson.com/us/en/motorcycles/future-vehicles/electric/electric-balance-bikes.html

Harley's amazing marketing. They ran these at the X-Games, with no mention of the LiveWire. The commentators at the end of the race say, "Those things look super fun." "I want one. Like, an adult sized one."

Stevo
19 August 2019, 1024
Maybe Mattel or Hasbro will buy Harley-Davidson when they go bankrupt... because those toys look fun! LOL

Ted Dillard
14 October 2019, 1429
Well gee. "Harley Davidson has halted production on the LiveWire, shortly after the first electric Harley came on sale. Though sales of the $30,000 bike had been slower than expected, the reason for the halt has to do with at-home charging...."

https://electricbikeaction.com/harley-davidson-halts-production-of-livewire/?fbclid=IwAR0datq1068gz9XyZNl6sp5lsESCowBWVRrZpo5x F7cU0k5aT2Zzs6hNAFg

Richard230
14 October 2019, 1433
And here is another report. This one has an interesting news video included that discusses H-D production and sales issues in some detail:
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/10/14/harley-davidson-halts-production-of-new-electronic-motorcycles.html

Richard230
17 October 2019, 0750
Here is the story from Motorcycle.com. I note that the problem seems to be with the on-board 120V charger. I wonder what that could be? I guess we will find out some day:
https://www.motorcycle.com/manufacturer/harley-davidson/harley-davidson-suspends-livewire-production.html

Richard230
19 October 2019, 0721
And now we have a Long Way Up stunt by H-D to promote the Livewire: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jGnqnaeRxM