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Ted Dillard
18 December 2018, 0352
This just annoys the b'jeesus outta me, but you know how I get.

In 2009 they claimed to be the "fastest production electric motorcycle". For all their specious "Firsts" claims, see this: http://lightningmotorcycle.com/about-us/lightning-first/ With 3 actual sales in their entire history, and possibly less than ten actual bikes built, the LS-218 doesn't qualify for any definition of "production" in use in the English language. Above and beyond that, the bike that set the records resembles the actual LS-218 only remotely.

Now InsideEVs is reporting they're "entering production" (https://insideevs.com/lightning-ls-218-electric-super-bike-enters-production/?fbclid=IwAR2CgBBpCwb7JBGtLUWOSogckeDEOe_woi72XRq1 OUbBG0F94_daHkAoYZ0)? So is this an admission that they weren't in production before? Or is it simply scraping the bottom of the "what are we gonna write about this week?" barrel?

The story really pisses me off when they go on to say "If anything, Lightning has been flipping the script on the typical startup, which is: 1) Market heavily, 2) Make huge claims 3) Deliver little proof." I don't see any flipping of any scripts here.

Don't get me wrong. I love the bike, I love the looks. I'd love nothing more than to see the bikes being built and sold. I'd also love, however, to see some honest communication and coverage.

Richard230
18 December 2018, 0729
After reading that article, I still don't see any evidence of an active production line. (Even their dog looks sleepy.) Things look just like it did in the photo of their production line that I saw two or three years ago. That photo was taken from the other end of that assembly room and showed four partially assembled motorcycles in line. At the time it looked to me like the "factory" was about 40 feet long and maybe 15 feet wide, to the best of my recollection. Not exactly like the Brammo factory when they were producing the Empulse. I think I would want more evidence (such as more photos of the "factory" and fewer random promotional photos taken years ago) of an actual manufacturing facility than just that one very limited photo on the Instagram link contained in the InsideEV article. It seems to me that the author of that article is jumping to a conclusion that is supported by little evidence other than that claim by Lightning and a single, intentionally limited, photo showing the front of a single partially assembled motorcycle, on something called Instagram. Or am I missing something (again)? :confused:

I would need more evidence than that before I starting shouting to the World that Lightning is finally producing motorcycles for sale to the public in more than single-digit quantities.

Attached are some photos that I took in 2014 of the Lightning display at an EV show. At least those bikes looked fully assembled. :rolleyes:

Warren
19 December 2018, 0820
I believe them as much as I believe Harley, or VW. Hell, we own a Bolt, and I don't believe GM. I still figure there is about a 50% chance we are driving a rare collectible.

Richard230
21 December 2018, 0708
Well, it does look like Lightning has established a new manufacturing facility and a Global Headquarters in San Jose, CA. The new digs shown in this article must have cost them millions to buy, or tens of thousands of dollars a month to lease. Commercial real estate is really expensive in San Jose right now, what with Google buying every piece of vacant dirt they can find in the city. It kind of makes me wonder how Lightning is going to make ends meet with those kind of expenses just selling high-end electric motorcycles? How did that work out for Brammo? :rolleyes:
https://electricmotorcycles.news/lightning-expands-into-new-corporate-headquarters-to-support-increased-ls-218-superbike-production/

While Energica seems to be staying in business selling a few hundred electric motorcycles a year, they did have to lower their prices from something like $40K when they first marketed their bikes, to $18K in 2017 to get them to sell in the U.S., before increasing them back up to $25K this year. However Energica is subsidized by a large multi-million dollar Italian design and manufacturing conglomerate. But what has been keeping Lightning financially afloat for the past 8 or 10 years to the point when they can make this kind of investment and expect to stay in business? There must be a Golden Goose somewhere in their business plan. :confused:

Ted Dillard
21 December 2018, 1151
I saw that too. "If you build it...?"

I know what you're trying to say about Energica, but you can't really say they're "staying in business". They're under the wing of the larger manufacturing company, the CRP Group. That's always been their big advantage. I think they're doing OK, but I'm not convinced they could hold their own if they didn't have that umbrella.

On Lightning and Golden Gooses :D... things must have changed. :rolleyes:

jazclrint
23 December 2018, 2339
I'm not very convinced Energica has really sold even that many bikes. Are we sure their current fleet for the FIM series isn't the biggest run of bikes they've ever built? But, yeah I too am seriously skeptical of Light actually building bikes all of a sudden. We've heard all of this before.

Richard230
24 December 2018, 0722
I'm not very convinced Energica has really sold even that many bikes. Are we sure their current fleet for the FIM series isn't the biggest run of bikes they've ever built? But, yeah I too am seriously skeptical of Light actually building bikes all of a sudden. We've heard all of this before.

As of a couple of weeks ago, my BMW dealer, who also sells Energicas, still has a 2017 Eva on the showroom floor. So what do you make of that?

Stevo
24 December 2018, 1259
As of a couple of weeks ago, my BMW dealer, who also sells Energicas, still has a 2017 Eva on the showroom floor. So what do you make of that?

I think ICE still rules the roads!

Ted Dillard
03 January 2019, 0916
Another high-water mark for motorsports journalism. "...but new images of bikes working their way down the production line show Lightning are serious."

OH. I thought actually getting orders and fulfilling them showed that they were serious, not just posting some photos. SILLY ME.

https://www.motorcyclenews.com/news/2019/january/lightning-electric-motorbike/?fbclid=IwAR0hOTJvYnaKrU5DN4fUwZaMUY5d3vnZc7shPnA3 Eg91Hh8XrMPLaLm4kuc

If you use AdBlocker, don't bother turning it off for this little rehash of 3 salient points... hell, it's barely worth even clicking on.

Richard230
03 January 2019, 1532
There are worse things than a slow-moving Lightning production line. Check out this piece of vaporware:
https://electricmotorcycles.news/revmotiv-technology-announces-pre-production-development-of-the-75s/

The word is that the "company" even stole the likeness of a female model without compensating her and tried to hide the fact by not showing her face. What is shown of her body has been copied from a picture of her sitting on an ICE motorcycle, according to a photo posted on the Electric Motorcycle Forum.

furyphoto
19 January 2019, 1622
Just now in my Instagram feed
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furyphoto
19 January 2019, 1640
Oh Man, why does the imaging on this forum SUCK SO HARD!

To post a screenshot from my tablet at a reasonable size, I had to email it to myself, startup my workstation desktop, open the emailed image in photoshop, resize it (down), save it, then upload it to my ftp server, generate an http: URL, copy that, then re-post here and reference the online image I just uploaded, unclick "Retrieve remote file and reference locally", so that it will show up bigger than 7x7 fu*king pixels!

:mad: SHEESH, <s>just now.....
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Richard230
19 January 2019, 1835
I wonder what you get on that bike for the "starting price"? :confused:

Stevo
20 January 2019, 1226
I saw that several days ago and thought that maybe true competition is finally starting to show up. We'll see how it unfolds :rolleyes:
So far, Zero is the only real and affordable option

Spoonman
21 January 2019, 0515
:O $13k?

That a serious shot at Zero alright... spec at that price will indeed will be the question, but I'd be lying if I said I weren't excited about a credibly faired alternative to the SR at similar money.

Ted Dillard
22 January 2019, 1633
OH HECK, I dunno. Buy a bike that's a brand new model from a company that hasn't built an actual bike for 6 or so years and has bullshit about their specs and accomplishments since day one and has no dealer network, vs. spending a few thousand more ($16,495.00) for a bike that's coming from a company that's been in development and actual production for over 8 years, with constant refinements every model year and a model (last year's SR) that basically knocks everything else into the cheap seats, dollar for dollar, and coming out with a new model in a few weeks?

Yeah, that's a tough one...

:rolleyes:

Routyboutuy
16 March 2019, 1103
Come on Lightning! It's been March long enough!