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ElMotoMike
19 August 2010, 1544
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Last weekend I went to Vermont with my family. On the way back we drove past Orange County Choppers, so we had to stop by. The retail floor is huge. They've got at least 25 bikes on display in addition to the T-shirts and coffee mugs. I think my favorite bike is the September 11 FDNY bike. They are much more impressive (and bigger!) in person than they are on TV.

So there I am admiring the bikes when my sister-in-law notices they've got a viewing window set up that allows you to see into the shop from the retail side. It was a Sunday, so no one was working, but you could see the current projects under construction. And there on the first bench beside the window was a half built electric drag bike! I think most EV guys were disappointed with the Siemens bike. But this one looks like it's going to be a rocket. For one thing, the motor is HUGE! Can anyone tell what type it is from the pictures? And the battery box has an A123 logo on it. You can't really see it in the pictures, but it's there. BTW, the window has a screen over it so people in the shop cannot see through to the retail side. That's why the pictures are dark and a bit fuzzy. But trust me, that empty box says A123 on it. I have a feeling this bike will give Killacycle a run for the money.

They had signs up in the shop stating that there will be new episodes of Orange County Choppers coming in August. I am sure they're filming the drag bike episode right now. I cannot wait to see how it turns out. If anyone finds a schedule, or more details, please post it here. This is going to be exciting.
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That motor is a monster. There was no one there to ask about it?

I just sent an inquiry over to OCC. Hopefully I can get some more info about it.

Btw: American Chopper: Senior vs Junior Premiering on Thursday, Aug 12 at 9PM ET/PT on TLC
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I had no idea they were located in upstate NY- just assumed CA.
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I had no idea they were located in upstate NY- just assumed CA.
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On a Sunday afternoon the only staff was a girl selling OCC branded schwag.

I hope they're not upset about the pictures. I realize it's not an iPhone 4, but still

As for Senior vs Junior, I guess this will be one of Senior's bikes. I wonder if Junior is working on his own electric drag bike? How cool would that be?!?


so one of the guys at OCC is a EV nut, not sure what his name is but he's on elmoto. as for that motor it sort of looks like a UQM. cant wait to see.
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Looks great!!! Can't wait to see it perform.
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Nice spy shots ElectriKAT.
Would it be odd for A123 to sponsor more than one drag bike? Wonder if Dube knows anything.


I wonder if Vinnie from OCC is building a bike for Jeff. Jeff is the owner/builder of the Preditor electric drag bike I met at the Power of DC in 2009. I think Jeff is based out of New York. I went to Jeff's website and found this:

http://www.youtube.com/user/<wbr>JEFFDISINGER#p/a/u/1/<wbr>OPtoOdDruOg (http://www.youtube.com/user/JEFFDISINGER#p/a/u/1/OPtoOdDruOg)

Vinnie may have "sparked" an interest in the project as a result of the speed channel deal.
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That is a monster motor. I don't think it will give Killacycle a run for it money however. Last time I checked KC had two 9 inch custom made DC motors with a series/parallel switching 300+VDC2,000A Zilla controller. A single motor that large may give them some competition in the first 1/4 to 1/2 of the track but after that I would wager KC will dust them.

ElMotoMike
19 August 2010, 1616
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so one of the guys at OCC is a EV nut, not sure what his name is but he's on elmoto. as for that motor it sort of looks like a UQM. cant wait to see. J.
Really? I'd love to know who that is. Maybe he's afraid to make his identity known for fear of being hounded by all of us wannabes

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Nice spy shots ElectriKAT.
Would it be odd for A123 to sponsor more than one drag bike? Wonder if Dube knows anything.
Thanks. It was fortuitous that we happened to stop by on that day.

I'm not sure there is any reason for A123 to care about sponsoring more than one bike. They'd probably get more publicity from one episode of OCC than they get from Killacycle. Not to say Killacycle isn't impressive, but they don't have the same audience that OCC gets. I was thinking the same thing about Bill Dube. I sent an email to a friend who knows Bill. I haven't heard back yet, but I'll post here if he has any comments.

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I wonder if Vinnie from OCC is building a bike for Jeff. Jeff is the owner/builder of the Preditor electric drag bike I met at the Power of DC in 2009. I think Jeff is based out of New York.

Vinnie may have "sparked" an interest in the project as a result of the speed channel deal.
I have not met Jeff, but I emailed him a few times. His bike is pretty sick. I did not realize that Jeff knew Vinnie from OCC. Vinnie is the electrician that wires up most of the gas bikes, right? Is it possible that Vinnie is the person Justin is referring to above?

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That is a monster motor. I don't think it will give Killacycle a run for it money however. Last time I checked KC had two 9 inch custom made DC motors with a series/parallel switching 300+VDC2,000A Zilla controller. A single motor that large may give them some competition in the first 1/4 to 1/2 of the track but after that I would wager KC will dust them.
I think you are mistaken about the motors. Here is the description of the motors from the Killacycle website:

> Motors: Two DC series motors @ 87 lbs (40 kg) each.

It does not say what brand or model they are, but if you look up the size/weight of a typical DC motor, the 8" motors weigh over 100lbs and the 9" weigh about 150lbs. Killacycle's are closer to the weight of a 6.7". But whatever they're using, I'd love to see these two bikes match up!



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I think you are mistaken about the motors. Here is the description of the motors from the Killacycle website:

> Motors: Two DC series motors @ 87 lbs (40 kg) each.

It does not say what brand or model they are, but if you look up the size/weight of a typical DC motor, the 8" motors weigh over 100lbs and the 9" weigh about 150lbs. Killacycle's are closer to the weight of a 6.7". But whatever they're using, I'd love to see these two bikes match up!
Yep, good catch. It's dual 6.7" DC brushed motors! Yeah, it would be a blast to see them both run against one another!



We could all be way off base and OCC could be building Killacycle II.....

Yes, Vinnie is/was the electrician at OCC, and in my opinion the most talented person and fabricator out of the whole bunch. I haven't watched the show (or any TV) in a couple of years, so I have no idea what Vinnie's role is now or even if he is associated with OCC anymore. I began to hate the show when it changed from being about bike building to all the other nonsense.
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Just got a response from OCC. They wrote:

Thank you for your e-mail. We are very sorry but we can't talk about the bike until after the unveil on the TV show.
Take care and have a great day.
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Shocker! At least they aren't upset about the pictures. So no info on when this episode will air?


Just been watching the show, its Jim Quin hes the ev nut over there at occ.
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It's just a rumor at this point, but I heard from someone "in the know" that the bike belongs to Shawn Lawless. I'm waiting for confirmation on this.


I would say you're right electriKAT. Check out this link ..

http://blog.aaronequipment.<wbr>com/post/Ite28099s-Official!-<wbr>Aaron-Equipment-and-AEK-<wbr>Packaging-have-teamed-up-with-<wbr>Orange-County-Choppers!.aspx (http://blog.aaronequipment.com/post/Ite28099s-Official%21-Aaron-Equipment-and-AEK-Packaging-have-teamed-up-with-Orange-County-Choppers%21.aspx)

I'd say it's the same bike alright!
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That's it! The date on that post is July 16th, so it's already been made public. I'll have to follow along there and also see what turns up during Sturgis.

It looks like Sr has lost a LOT of weight. He looks really good.
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Confirmed.

Nice Photos.

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19 August 2010, 1624
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Hey Shawn.
Mike here. I met you at Power of DC in 2009. I have the green CBR600F3.
Welcome and nice to hear from you. It's exciting to see what you have in the works!
I look forward to following the progress of your venture.
I am sure I can speak for the rest of the gang that we are honored to have you as a part of the Elmoto forum.
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Thanks Mike. Nice CBR. As you would guess, I can't share much information till the show airs but I don't think it's a secret that our goal is to be the quickest and fastest battery powered EV around.

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Confirmed.

Nice Photos.

Shawn Lawless
Hey Shawn, welcome to elmoto. I am glad no one is upset about me letting the cat out of the bag a little. Do you have any idea when your episode will air? I am going to program like four TIVOs to make sure I don't miss it



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our goal is to be the quickest and fastest battery powered EV around.

Shawn

Good luck and kick some ...well you know.



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Thanks,

I guess I should qualify my statement and say that I doubt we will touch the Buckeye Bullet's 321 MPH top speed but I'm not sure the car is still around anyway.

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Thanks,

I guess I should qualify my statement and say that I doubt we will touch the Buckeye Bullet's 321 MPH top speed but I'm not sure the car is still around anyway.

Shawn
haha yea cant touch the buckeyes! They are modifying the fuel cell bullet 2 this year. They are going for 400 mph soon.

But good luck and welcome to the site

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Apparently they ran the bike on Wednesday June 28th in on a strip in NY state. I heard that it ran 9's at 155 mph. I heard a rumor that they are going to run it again today (Friday).

The "spy" photos shown in this thread must have been taken later than the photos they showed on the public web page. The side bracing was not on the frame in the public photos, but is quite evident in the "spy" photos. I'm glad they put this bracing on. When I saw the bike without the bracing, I was very concerned that the frame would not be strong enough for the massive chain forces. Now I can see that they did their homework.

With an ICE machine, you have a lot of examples of successful competitors to copy from. You can look at the fastest bikes and see what they have in common, so you know what works. The optimal design is pretty much what you see going down the track. Your only hope is to figure out some single new idea that will give you an edge, because you know that anything obviously different has likely been tried and did not work better.

With an electric, you are on the "bleeding edge" and have to figure a lot of things out for yourself from scratch. To go faster than anyone else, you have to do something different in some way, but what you do different, must be better, not worse. It is too expensive (and time-consuming) to try ideas out at random on the track. With an electric, you must compare your ideas on paper first, to pick out the ones that are the most likely to work. There is still a large element of luck in picking which ideas you are going to try out first, and which ideas work best together.

When these folks started talking about going directly into the 7's at 200 mph their first time to the track with the bike, I suspected that they didn't understand the "bleeding edge" nature of electric drag racing. Instead of copying the fastest bike, and making a few clever changes, they instead made a bike that was a very different in many ways. This strategy can sometimes pay off, but it is high risk. This is because each large change will make a large difference in performance. The element of luck then enters in. If you have raced for awhile, you know that any new and innovative change you try is more likely to reduce performance than increase performance. (At least this is the way it has happened for me.) If you make a bunch of large changes all at once, then unless you are very lucky, the performance will decrease instead of increase.

With all the large differences in the OCC bike from the KillaCycle, they will have to be lucky to have made all the right choices to end up with a really fast bike the first time out, or even the second time out. Each time they go back to the shop to make modifications, the bike will get faster. I'm going to guess that it will take several trips to the track and then back to the shop to figure out which of the large changes is working for them, and which of them is holding them back.

I'm certain, knowing how skilled and hard-working Shawn Lawless is, that they will get the bike going really fast, but it will not happen immediately.
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Hey Bill

Welcome. Thanks for contributing to this thread. It's great to get input from the "electric motorcycle GOD" Everything you say makes perfect sense. But it looks like you may have some competition on your hands.

I assume you mean they ran the bike on JULY 28th?? I took those photos on Sunday July 18th.

Cheers from the electriKAT to the Electrocat



I really WANT the competition. It generates interest and encourages more folks to build EV racing machines.

The folks that are building the OCC bike are working hard and putting some serious money into the project. It has always been my goal to attract folks with this level of skill and resources to EV racing.

I could easy be mistaken, but the OCC bike looks to me (from the pictures only) like it will have trouble getting very deep into the 8's. Again, I have only seen a few grainy photos, and I don't know any of the details, so my impressions could be wrong. Perhaps they have some super-secret, high voltage, high wattage controller. Maybe the bike is a lot lighter than it appears to be in the photos. Maybe they have figured out some very nifty traction control. Maybe they have a super-slick aerodynamic cowling.

What I assume is that they have a Zilla controller, just like the one I have in the KillaCycle. If this is the case, then this will limit them to about the same wattage as the KillaCycle. With what appears to be a heavier bike, that same wattage will push it slower. If, however, they have two Zillas, somehow connected to the one motor, this could be able to offset the added weight of the bike. I don't know how they would parallel two Zillas into one motor, however.

Again, I have little information, just a fuzzy picture of the bike under construction. All I can make are wild guesses.
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as with most electrics that really get a lot of media time it will probably be an unimaginative electric let down. just like the one the made for siemens, it was a joke.

you want my idea for a tv show? maybe not but I think they should get a bunch of interweb ev forum goons of the highest standing to compete against each other building all kinds of new vehicles. prices for production would probably be in the same range as that "ultimate buildoff" show on discovery channel. shows like this seem to go on for at least three seasons and that would be sh!t ton of funded prototyping for a couple years. legends could be made.

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I have to disagree. The Siemens bike was built by the OCC staff, and I don't think they had much EV experience. They even used lead acid batteries. But this bike is being built by someone with a TON of experience. If Bill's statement about running 9's on it's first time out is true, I can't wait to see what it's capable of once they get it dialed.


After looking at the equipment website, it seems they either already have a suitable controller on the shelf or the capability to build a custom one fairly easily.

I think the bigger issue is going to be getting the current out of the batteries, ie: fitting enough Ah into the frame to overcome limited C rating, in order to drive that "600HP" motor.


I would be stunned if they built a custom controller. Building a prototype controller of that wattage takes a skilled engineering team many months. It is not impossible, but there are a limited number of folks than can do this sort of work, and I probably would have heard about such a controller build.

The cells they are using are the most powerful that are commercially available. You can pull at a C rate of more than 50. They produce over 3000 W/kg. Judging from the size of the battery area (and rumors I have heard) they have a larger pack than we are running in the KillaCycle (same cells.) They are using my pack design, just with more cells. Since they are likely to be running the same controller, more cells in front of it probably won't increase the output wattage remarkably. The modest increase in HP from the added cells probably won't offset the added weight of the additional cells. It will likely be an even trade in HP to weight.

Also, putting a larger motor behind the controller won't change the controller HP output. It is just more weight to drag with you down the track.

If they have some create solution that increases the controller HP (beyond what is available through the largest controller commercially available for drag racing, the Zilla,) then they could make some impressive numbers with the large motor and large battery pack they are running. If they are running a Zilla, and nothing extra, then the large motor and large battery pack are added weight with no benefit.

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After looking at the equipment website, it seems they either already have a suitable controller on the shelf or the capability to build a custom one fairly easily.

I think the bigger issue is going to be getting the current out of the batteries, ie: fitting enough Ah into the frame to overcome limited C rating, in order to drive that "600HP" motor.
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bill you seem awfully worried about what there doing? you guy's been running the killacycle? how many events you been at this year? would love to see you guys come up in the north east sometime? home as i recall? would love to get picture along side of the bike with mine. i think we are the only like chassis bikes out there?



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bill you seem awfully worried about what there doing? you guy's been running the killacycle? how many events you been at this year? would love to see you guys come up in the north east sometime? home as i recall? would love to get picture along side of the bike with mine. i think we are the only like chassis bikes out there?
We run the KillaCycle at Bandimere (our local track) pretty often. We ran it for PBS Nova a couple of weeks ago. We will run it for Pinks All Out in about a week. We have been doing a bit of testing lately as well, generally during test & tunes.

I think that folks would rather see it going faster, than to just plain see it, so we spend our budget and time on improving performance rather than putting on performances out of town.

It costs between $3000 and $5000 for us to race the KillaCycle at an out-of-town event. We are always happy to run the bike at an event if someone else pays the bill. Our budget is tight, (and our spare time is limited) so we spend it improving the KillaCycle and building the new streamliner, the Killajoule.

I'm of course interested in what the OCC folks are doing. From the limited photos I've seen and third-hand information I have heard, I don't think I need to be extremely "worried", however. It is a long way from the 9's to the 7's. It is also a long way from 150 mph to 200 mph. Generally, folks spend awhile moving through the 8's on the way to the 7's. Some things just take time. Hiring nine obstetricians won't get you a baby in a month.

What sort of ET/mph does your bike do?
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From what Bill is saying, it sounds like they need to hire Otmar over at Cafe Electric to get two, 2K zillas in parallel.
There other option in high power drives are freight train equipment. Thi8s would be a majoe engineering work. There are some pretty high voltages (like in the kV range), and equipment not made to package in something as small as a bike



Bill,

Folks have been telling me I need to catch up with the El Moto site. Thanks for the comments. As we have discussed before, the greatest lure of EV racing is for me is that the "science" has not been perfected yet. Seems I learn more about this sport every day. The real valuable lessons are never easy. OCC has done a fantastic job of putting together this machine, regardless of the extremely tight TV driven schedule. I have worked both places and believe me, this is not a West Coast hack shop. These guys know how to get the job done right, especially if that includes tapping expert resources to help answer questions that they may have not been posed with in the past. What is real cool about this project for myself and in my opinion for them as well is that it doesn't end with the build. This is not a show bike that is taken off the rack, ridden a few times, and put on a show circuit or in a corporate office. This is a real race bike! It's work has just begun. We had to stop for a few weeks just as we were getting started for the Sturgis event but it is time well wasted. Think about where we were a few years ago when no one at any of the tracks we visited with our ev bike had ever heard of such a thing. After Sturgis they are going to know about them now at least a bit more. Who knows....If we can get a heads up race with KC maybe a lot more!
I have no comment for the 9 OB's and a baby; I have no time in my life for can't do-ers and excuse makers. The world is full of them. There is no time schedule short or long on doing great things. We went from the earth to the surface of the moon in less than 10 years. In the 40 years since we can't even agree that we need to go back. We won WW2 and conquered the world in 4 years. If you told me today that we could win in tiny Afghanistan given 4 more I would probably take it.

The purpose of this project was to build the quickest and fastest electric bike in the world.
That means going quicker than Killacycle's 7.82 seconds in the 1/4 mile AND faster than Ken Riches 179 MPH top speed. Not next year, or next decade, or when I get AC motors, or when batteries are better, etc, etc, etc..........but now!


Shawn



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...this is not a West Coast hack shop.
SECOND best quote!

Guys, great discussion, this is why ElMoto rocks- well, this and Richard's tip about bleeding brakes. Thanks for keeping it challenging, but gentlemanly... and I can't wait to see the results when the rubber hits the road!
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Thanks. OCC has announced that they are "officially"unveiling the bike at Sturgis Dragway Thursday August 12 at 10:30 am. It has been there since early this week. I'm not sure if it is already on display but Paul Sr., Skeeter, and Rick will be there with it on Thurs. Admission is free.

Shawn

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This is a real race bike! It's work has just begun. We had to stop for a few weeks just as we were getting started for the Sturgis event but it is time well wasted. Think about where we were a few years ago when no one at any of the tracks we visited with our ev bike had ever heard of such a thing. After Sturgis they are going to know about them now at least a bit more. Who knows....If we can get a heads up race with KC maybe a lot more!
I have no comment for the 9 OB's and a baby; I have no time in my life for can't do-ers and excuse makers.



The purpose of this project was to build the quickest and fastest electric bike in the world.
That means going quicker than Killacycle's 7.82 seconds in the 1/4 mile AND faster than Ken Riches 179 MPH top speed. Not next year, or next decade, or when I get AC motors, or when batteries are better, etc, etc, etc..........but now!

Shawn
My comment wasn't at all to say that it can't be done, but that there is a limit to how short the schedule can be, no matter how intense the effort. It takes many test runs at the track with corresponding modifications back at the shop, to get the top performance out of a drag race vehicle. Just dialing in the gearing can take three or four test sessions. There are steps that have to occur in sequence.

If your shop has its own private drag strip, that might speed up the process quite a bit, however.

During any complicated development project, you will take "wrong turns". Some folks will stick with the original path and beat on it with resources to "make it work." This is like increasing your bets on a bad poker hand. It is better to recognize a bad hand, fold, cut your losses, and re-deal the cards. You can't get emotionally attached to a specific design solution (or a poker hand.)

We completely redesigned the KillaCycle several years ago and just kept the best parts. We are going to do it again this Winter. We know what we did "wrong" and the smart choice is to re-build completely. You folks may have to get that drastic too.

You folks should come out here to Bandimere for a head-to-head electric drag race. The traction is the very best on the planet, and there is 20% less air to push out of your way. (They temperature-control the first 200 feet of the track!) Your bike will go faster at Bandimere than it will anywhere else. (It is also a beautiful track for filming. It is carved into the side of a mountain!)
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Hi all,

I can solve the mystery of the motor. It's from Dennis Berube's Electric S-10 drag racing truck. Dennis gave it to Shawn, who gave it to OCC to use for the project.

You can see the motor from this link

http://teva2.com/berubes10.html

It's a 13 inch GE forklift motor that Dennis had rebuilt to race in his truck weighing in at 200 pounds

I had the pleasure to experience the power of the motor firsthand when I rode shotgun in the truck with Dennis during a burnout contest a couple years ago.

He's building a new motor for the truck now. So it's good to see it has a new home.

Shawn can correct any misinformation about this.

Chip



Bill,

I know all about wrong turns. The biggest waste of time in my racing adventures was an attempt to bring NEDRA forward and a belief that it could be done. I believe that your results were similar. I attempted to cure pimples on a leprosy infested poker hand. THANK GOD we are past that. I hope we can move fwd together. You know the respect I have for your program.

I wish I had my own track. As it is I have an 8 hr drive each way to NY for recorded testing. 3500 miles last week alone. I feel like Dave Dudley.

I'm in for heads up race. Neutral track. Live NHRA TV Audience on a Sunday afternoon. What do you think?

Shawn



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The biggest waste of time in my racing adventures was an attempt to bring NEDRA forward and a belief that it could be done. Shawn
Interesting comment......


Hey Ted, sound familiar?



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I'm in for heads up race. Neutral track. Live NHRA TV Audience on a Sunday afternoon. What do you think?

Shawn
OK bitches. Where can we buy tickets??!!

Yes, Ed, it's all becoming clear to me now... Funny, I've been trying to get a local Boston chapter of the EAA going, starting to get the same sinking feeling.
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Quote:
Originally Posted by lawlessind View Post
I wish I had my own track. As it is I have an 8 hr drive each way to NY for recorded testing
Shawn
Sounds to me like you need to find a local small airport and rent some time there until you build your own track.
(Heh, kicking the hornets nest... )



i think a head to head race with kc and shawn will only help in more people wanting to get into the ev action. like myself, i have two years now under my belt.i thought i would be flying by now,and i have stuggled financially and emotionally. this has been the toughest challenge i have invested in.without the aid of some very dedicated friends helping through all of my learning i would have packed it in by now. my project has less than $5000 of my own money in it! thats not much more than the zilla most run! i was on a 10 second pass when the bike stood straight up and down,nobody was more surprised than me. in two years i have come this far, by shawn kicking my ass with agnus i have been driven to just keep going.after talking with shawn and dennis i realized how long they took to get here! i will never be able to afford to catch bill or shawn,but i will be out there running hard as i can trying to keep the faith for us small guys! i love my new ev world and as long as i can afford it i will race every weekend!....just because! i have poked at bill a few times, but i have nothing but love for the kc team. i just stand behind the lawless camp as i call him a friend.dennis berube has been a big help in understanding the ev world as it is. there has to be some real poking if anybody is going to get it done. **** talking is half the fun.....no? just wish i could back mine up better..lol. so...who's going to sturgis?
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Quote:
Originally Posted by evcg144 View Post
I had the pleasure to experience the power of the motor firsthand when I rode shotgun in the truck with Dennis during a burnout contest a couple years ago.

Chip
Hey Chip - Welcome to the forum. I hope you find it informative.

For those that don't know, Chip is the organizer of PoDC, and heavily involved with NEDRA. He's still driving a Ford Escort he converted back in the early 90's was it? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

John



Quote:
Originally Posted by dice23 View Post
i think a head to head race with kc and shawn will only help in more people wanting to get into the ev action.
Shawn - have you named this beast yet?



Hi Chip! Good to see you here. (For those who don't know Chip runs a great EV event at PODC in Hagerstown every year. ) The motor is indeed from Dennis and is 13" dia. It's a little beefier than 200 lbs. though. This is a different tack for us actually. As you know multiple smaller motors have been in most of my machines. The 12 PMDC Lemcos in OJ was the most beautifully complex. 96 motor brushes in one dragster! This has been one interesting project already and the machine hasn't even been to my shop yet. Hope to see you soon.

Shawn

ElMotoMike
19 August 2010, 1647
From the original page 6


Actually there is a great track right up the street but there has been no time for testing here yet.

Shawn





so...who's going to sturgis?


I will be at Sturgis Dragway Thursday at 10:00am.

Shawn




NHRA live head to head race sounds to good to be true! this could put the EV world on the map in a big way! hope bill will show up? i will be up and running and post pics and results for this weekend on my local track. best of luck to ya shawn! set that track on fire brother!

electriKAT
20 August 2010, 1700
Thanks to Mike, this thread has been reconstructed. Whoo-hoo!

Shawn Lawless posted some pictures of the unveiling at Sturgis last week, in a different thread, and I wanted to repost them here.

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Lawlessind
30 August 2010, 0928
The Lawless Drag Bike is now the World's Quickest EV after yesterday's visit to Quaker City Raceway. The 200 MPH mark is next.
Stay Tuned.......

Nuts & Volts
30 August 2010, 0937
how fast how fast!!!!???

Lawlessind
30 August 2010, 0946
7.77 seconds @ 165 MPH. .78 seconds to the 6's..........

Lawlessind
30 August 2010, 0959
It should be a good challenge. 2007 was 10's, 2008 was 9's, 2009 was 8's, 2010 is 7's, 2011 is ??? No doubt it requires more effort, but considering the fuel guys are running 5's we will keep pushing.

magicsmoke
30 August 2010, 1257
Not a great vid, but you get the idea.
Congrats Shawn.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_bTzczzAeg&feature=player_embedded

electriKAT
30 August 2010, 1354
Congratulations Shawn! It certainly didn't take long to get this far. Can we assume Discovery was there filming all of this?

eracebike.com
30 August 2010, 1806
Lawless
The name is Kent with a "T"...... good luck with your OCC POS in beating my 179mph... your statement of "Not next year, or next decade, or when I get AC motors, or when batteries are better, etc, etc, etc..........but now!" Ok, Bring it on! whats yer excuse so far.... and what, you don't think were gonna step it up? My excuse is we ran 179mph with 34% power.... If Dube hadn't "T"boned us for a123 batteries we would have been over 200 last year... Dont worry were gonna return the favor to him pretty soon and your goal will be over 200 instead of 179 pretty darn quick....
Kent Riches
www.eracebike.com
www.motorcyclebodywork.com

Only2Jakes
31 August 2010, 0320
I like le competitioooon.

But bragging etc. Is too far.. It won't end well LOL

Anyways GET IT ON!

Lawlessind
31 August 2010, 0420
Kent,

Seems we may have gotten off on the wrong foot. I don't think we've ever met, have we? I don't make excuses and watch the POS talk. It's really not the best way to introduce yourself. I assumed this forum was a class level above the trash talking done elsewhere. It doesn't really matter what anyone is "going" to do, only what has been done. Congrats on the 179. You are the fastest in the world. My statement about "now" was in direct reply to Dube's assertion that it would take a long time to reach our goal. For better or worse TV does not allow the leisure of getting things done when they "work out". You either get it done "now" or you lose. I don't know about your relationship with Dube and don't really care. The 1/4 mile time was first on my list. (BTW, he has already promised to turn up the wick on KC and I don't doubt him for a second.) That is called "competition". Your top speed record is next. My goal remains the same. Are you racing Dube "heads up" in Utah in September? He is working feverishly toward completing his streamliner and I'm betting he makes it. If you were there it would be a good time for you to beat both of us to 200.

teddillard
31 August 2010, 0429
@ Shawn- keepin' it classy. Good job.

@ KenT:

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:D

teddillard
31 August 2010, 0700
As a good, old friend of mine is fond of saying... "En la cancha es donde se ven los pingos."

An old Argentine horseracing saying, to guys mouthing off in the bar- Loosely translated- "On the track, that's where you see how the ponies run... "

(Everything else is, how you say? JIBBERJABBER! :D )

(edit: It seems "pingo" has some very interesting local translations- although in Argentina it may mean "fast horse", in other areas of South America it can mean rag, scoundrel, dog, even whore, slut or bitch. Thus, I shall amend my original interpretation- on the track, THAT's where you see how the bitches run. LMAO)

dice23
31 August 2010, 0705
7.77 @ 165 is what it ran. seems all that doubting from bill about chassis design and dennis's motor are bitting him in the ass.there's a new king...all hail LAWLESS! congratulations to shawn. mph record to follow.

killacycle
31 August 2010, 1456
I suspect that Kent _often_ gets off on the wrong foot with people. ;-)

Way back in the beginning of all this, I told Kent I would get him A123 cells, but he had to have a BMS before I could sell them to him. (I explained why you MUST run a BMS with all Li-Ion cells, for performance and for safety reasons.) I never heard back. Kent had decided that he was _not_ going to run a BMS, got cells on the surplus market, and then promptly had a pack fire, because he did not have a BMS (and built the battery case out of carbon fiber!) He was unapologetic, and unrepentant. It was obvious to everyone involved that Kent could not be trusted to "follow the rules" and act responsibly, so he was"'off the list". Of course, it is all my fault in his perspective.

Kent has only managed to get "39%" of the HP because, you guessed it, he did not have a BMS.

Bill D.

[QUOTE=Lawlessind;806]Kent,

Seems we may have gotten off on the wrong foot. I don't think we've ever met, have we? I don't make excuses and watch the POS talk. It's really not the best way to introduce yourself. I assumed this forum was a class level above the trash talking done elsewhere. It doesn't really matter what anyone is "going" to do, only what has been done.

killacycle
31 August 2010, 1459
7.77 @ 165 is what it ran. seems all that doubting from bill about chassis design and dennis's motor are bitting him in the ass.there's a new king...all hail LAWLESS! congratulations to shawn. mph record to follow.

Was the big Berube motor in the bike for 7.77?

killacycle
31 August 2010, 1520
Kent,

My statement about "now" was in direct reply to Dube's assertion that it would take a long time to reach our goal. For better or worse TV does not allow the leisure of getting things done when they "work out". You either get it done "now" or you lose. I don't know about your relationship with Dube and don't really care. The 1/4 mile time was first on my list. (BTW, he has already promised to turn up the wick on KC and I don't doubt him for a second.) That is called "competition". Your top speed record is next. My goal remains the same. Are you racing Dube "heads up" in Utah in September? He is working feverishly toward completing his streamliner and I'm betting he makes it. If you were there it would be a good time for you to beat both of us to 200.

As I mentioned to you privately, as soon as we come back from the World of Speed event on the salt, I am going to put focus back on the KillaCycle and try to bump up the ET a notch quicker to take back the record.

My comments earlier about "it takes time" to get performance, was in reference to the PR hype that was predicting 200 mph and the world record on the first trip out to the track with your new bike. I am very impressed that you managed to bump up the performance as much as you have in the space of a month. What is different? What did you change to go from the 9's down to the 7's?

Lawlessind
31 August 2010, 1553
Aside from my amateur low speed outings such as the Sturgis unveiling, we have been to the track a total of 3 times. 9's day one, 8's day two, 7's day three. It should make for a great show. As I said before, forget what may be shown on TV, the guys at OCC, and everyone on this team for that matter, is VERY talented AND VERY hard working. That is a tough combination to beat. I really hope that the tech side of the build gets some decent airtime on the show. If so you'll see it all. No real secrets. I have just been following the directions that Larry shouts at me every time he comes back from a run. MORE POWER !!! I think he could ride a 1500 HP bike. Oh wait, he already does. In that case what can I say except "More Power to Him". Come on 6's.....

eracebike.com
31 August 2010, 1757
Douschebag Dube.... everything was fine for all those years I was helping you with bodywork but when it came time for you to return the favor and deliver on the batteries you disappeared forcing me to do what I had to do..... We "had" and still "have" a BMS and my carbon fiber battery boxes have nothing to do with your tactic to change focus from you being an egotistical self claimed expert to me using what you think is a wrong material.... Why don’t you cry “his bike is blue! He can’t set a record because his bike is blue!” Let me give you 2 facts you can’t deny, dismiss, or overlook... Fact 1) it took you over 10 years to run 174mph... I eclipsed your uncertified record speed in 8 passes.... Fact 2) it took you over 10 years to run 7.80's and it took Lawless 3 weekends to run 7.70's. Looks to me like you don’t have a clue and aren’t the expert you claim to be! You criticize lawless chassis design yet you have never actually built one yourself….
Furthermore I did not "promptly" as you state, have a fire. Fact, we made 8 other record passes and burnt the "RC toy" a123 cells up on the 9th pass (which happened to be our fastest pass and "on fire") this was our only fire which was put out with our on board fire system... In your 10 years, how many fires and cell damage will you admit to? You are the self proclaimed “go to” guy for A123 cells, and the protector of their integrity making sure someone who could possibly damage their reputation with misuse of their cells or could possibly exceed your accomplishments making you the guru……so you “got me off the list” Big deal! I think they and everyone ought to take a look at the tremendous irrefutable harm you did to electric motorcycling community with that little stunt in front of the media at next fest a few years back… I personally am getting quite tired of people coming up to me at shows and races saying “is this the electric bike I saw that killed someone on you tube?” Let’s see, my little fire no one knew about till you told them, or your dumb azz stunt! Which is worse? And where is your apology to the world?
And for the record, my 34% power problem was because of a " 5 volt invalid" error in the controller... what an asinine and unfounded statement you made that our performance problem was caused by lack of a BMS that we had... get your faces straight before you shoot your mouth off

Lawless
Nope I don’t think we ever met. But we think alike, we both don’t have time for people who don’t produce… you came on here and beat your chest saying you were going to beat my record…. I said bring it on! Honestly my record is weak and a sitting duck, but I am experienced enough to know 200 is a pretty big goal and I know what it will take to get there…. Do you?

Kent
www.eracebike.com
www.motorcyclebodywork.com

dice23
31 August 2010, 1828
wow! kent.....cool rant! could'nt have said it better. he did call most of us BOY SCOUTS. i was once....but really, it comes down to the $$$$$ for the most part in the world of EV.shawn is the most motivated person going.thats why he's kicking ass. shawns the coolest guy out there, willing to help anybody from what i have seen. never once has he talked **** about anybody,but nobody takes cheap shots at second place now. a little respect goes a long way! by the way...cool bike!

eracebike.com
31 August 2010, 2009
I tellz it like I experienced it… Dube is the expert just ask him!…. He has been touted as an ambassador of our sport but in reality doesn’t know squat and has a back stabbing self serving agenda…. Key on “has been”….. Based on my personal experience, no hearsay!
I think it’s hilarious that Dube is claiming his POS ‘liner is gonna go 400mph… Dube has no clue on what it’s gonna take to do it… Dice, I could show you pages and pages of email from him the funniest critical statement he made is on how I should have consulted with him and other experts before I built my bike, “I endangered myself and A123’s reputation” he claimed… But yet he has never stepped foot on the salt and is building a liner without consulting experienced experts and boasts he’s gonna go 400mph….. Two faced whack job!

I have given Shawn the benefit of doubt and so far he has backed up parts of his claim, total respect for the action not the mouth…. To tell you the truth I am tickled pink he exceeded Dube’s ET…. Shawn, if you’re an A123 team mate with bill, well good luck to ya….. But if you got an ax you want to burry in him and need help, then just call…. ill help ya to the end of time…. The support I use to, and was going to give to him, is available to whoever wants to destroy his accomplishments..

Kent Riches
Air-Tech Streamlining
(760)598-3366

eracebike.com
31 August 2010, 2049
Shawn
Dube obviously knows you have made the “quicker” pass and have the “quickest” electric dragbike… lets see how long it takes Mr Ego to change his web site and marketing crap….
Kent

killacycle
31 August 2010, 2124
Douschebag Dube.... everything was fine for all those years I was helping you with bodywork but when it came time for you to return the favor and deliver on the batteries you disappeared forcing me to do what I had to do..... We "had" and still "have" a BMS and my carbon fiber battery boxes have nothing to do with your tactic to change focus from you being an egotistical self claimed expert to me using what you think is a wrong material.... Why don’t you cry “his bike is blue! He can’t set a record because his bike is blue!” Let me give you 2 facts you can’t deny, dismiss, or overlook... Fact 1) it took you over 10 years to run 174mph... I eclipsed your uncertified record speed in 8 passes.... Fact 2) it took you over 10 years to run 7.80's and it took Lawless 3 weekends to run 7.70's. Looks to me like you don’t have a clue and aren’t the expert you claim to be! You criticize lawless chassis design yet you have never actually built one yourself….
Furthermore I did not "promptly" as you state, have a fire. Fact, we made 8 other record passes and burnt the "RC toy" a123 cells up on the 9th pass (which happened to be our fastest pass and "on fire") this was our only fire which was put out with our on board fire system... In your 10 years, how many fires and cell damage will you admit to? You are the self proclaimed “go to” guy for A123 cells, and the protector of their integrity making sure someone who could possibly damage their reputation with misuse of their cells or could possibly exceed your accomplishments making you the guru……so you “got me off the list” Big deal! I think they and everyone ought to take a look at the tremendous irrefutable harm you did to electric motorcycling community with that little stunt in front of the media at next fest a few years back… I personally am getting quite tired of people coming up to me at shows and races saying “is this the electric bike I saw that killed someone on you tube?” Let’s see, my little fire no one knew about till you told them, or your dumb azz stunt! Which is worse? And where is your apology to the world?
And for the record, my 34% power problem was because of a " 5 volt invalid" error in the controller... what an asinine and unfounded statement you made that our performance problem was caused by lack of a BMS that we had... get your faces straight before you shoot your mouth off


Kent
www.eracebike.com
www.motorcyclebodywork.com

There are racers I don't like personally, that I have vouched for with A123Systems. This is because they could be trusted to run a BMS and handle the batteries safely. They are responsible racers, however not "likeable" they may be, but all that matters is they are responsible.

From your own website Kent:
"Battery monitoring systems in the battery pack were unnecessary......"
http://www.eracebike.com/Worlds_Fastest_Battery.pptx

and:
http://www.eracebike.com/E_Bike_Gallery/images/burnt%20up%20batteries.jpg

There is not even any evidence of BMS wiring or boards in the picture, or any other pictures of this pack before it burned.

No BMS. + No cell voltage monitoring. + Carbon fiber battery box. = Burnt batteries.

It is plainly a fact that you did not put a BMS on your system until _after_ you had a fire. even then, it really was not a fully functional BMS, just crude top balancing with no cell-level voltage protection of any kind.

You should have "manned up" and just admitted you made a mistake and that would have made quite a difference. Fibbing and making lame excuses just lost you more credibility and made your situation much worse instead of better. How could A123Systems trust you to safely handle their batteries? They just see a loose canon and a looming PR disaster.

As I said earlier, you decided not to run a BMS, and you were unapologetic and unrepentant for doing so. You still are. I am forbidden to sell any A123Systems cells without making sure there is a fully functional BMS installed. There is trust involved because there are safety issues that must be respected. This is just the way it is.

>> Carbon fiber battery boxes <<<
It is very unsafe to build battery boxes out of carbon fiber, as I have explained to you several times before, but you still won't believe it. Solar car sanctioning bodies, and I believe the TTxGP, explicitly forbid its use in battery box construction.

The problem is that carbon fiber is a semiconductor. If you get a short circuit through the box, it incandesces. Edison made his famous light bulb out of carbon fiber because it has this property. If you make the case from an insulator, then that is the very safest material. If you make it from a conductor, like steel or aluminum, then wherever a wire touches arcs and melts away just that part of the case. Probably the main fuse blows too. This is not ideal, but the entire case does not turn into a heating element on steroids.

>>> Helping me with bodywork?? <<<

I bought a body for my bike from you at full retail in 1999. That was all the "body work help" you ever might have done. You talked about helping me, but never actually did anything. Am I missing something?

Bill D.

killacycle
31 August 2010, 2202
Shawn
Dube obviously knows you have made the “quicker” pass and have the “quickest” electric dragbike… lets see how long it takes Mr Ego to change his web site and marketing crap….
Kent

Well, I can certainly change "quickest" in the 1/4 mile to "fastest" in the 1/4 mile. That is easy to do.

I don't have any website or official record or time slip scan, or much of anything to reference in the write-up. You can't even see the time on the scoreboard in the video.

We will be back on the drag strip after our trip to the salt. My feet are definitely to the fire, but I have to still go to my day job for eight hours, so I can't modify the KillaCycle tomorrow and run it this weekend.

teddillard
01 September 2010, 0331
Great stuff! This is the most amusing thread I've read since I used to frequent the photo forums. (informative, too- I've been curious about conductive material for battery boxes and holders for quite some time... nice to hear the perspective.) In the midst of a week where it seems we're all struggling with issues of life and death, this gave me a great, big laugh.

Nothing like a good bar-room brawl to take your mind off the stuff that really matters (http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?175-Fund-set-up-for-Matt-Deickmann) for a few minutes.

If I may, let me just add- if any of you boys want to support the family and friends- and the legacy- of a true Statesman of the sport, Travis has set up a fund for Matt Deickmann here. http://www.giveforward.org/Matt-Dieckmann-Funeral-Expenses

OK, back to our regularly scheduled slugfest...

Lawlessind
01 September 2010, 0411
Bill, what is your percentage of certainty that Eva's bike is going to be at the salt in two weeks? Kent, are you going to be there? If you two are going to compete I would like to see it in person. I have been fascinated by the thought of going there since I read about the Blue Flame in my 1974 Guinness Book.
What type of tires do you run? Do you need a traction type on the rear or will a front runner type work? Do you have to button up the motor to keep the salt out? If so do you use liquid cooling for the motor? Do they measure speed at one point or do you have to hold it over a longer distance?

Shawn

ZoomSmith
01 September 2010, 0555
Is Vince McMahon writing this script?

killacycle
01 September 2010, 0647
Bill, what is your percentage of certainty that Eva's bike is going to be at the salt in two weeks? Kent, are you going to be there? If you two are going to compete I would like to see it in person. I have been fascinated by the thought of going there since I read about the Blue Flame in my 1974 Guinness Book.
What type of tires do you run? Do you need a traction type on the rear or will a front runner type work? Do you have to button up the motor to keep the salt out? If so do you use liquid cooling for the motor? Do they measure speed at one point or do you have to hold it over a longer distance?

Shawn



We certainly have the HP to go over 200 mph, but there is a lot more to it than that. We will be happy just to make some clean passes this first time out. I would not put any percentages whatsoever on this first trip to the salt. We are just going to do our best as first-timers on the salt.

We are going to run _something_ electric down the course. Hopefully, it will be the KillaJoule streamliner.

You can follow the build on:
http://www.facebook.com/killacycle
Eva manages, somehow, to find time to update it.

Smooth tires are what is generally used on the salt. Since we have not (yet) spent the ~$2000 on land speed motorcycle tires, we will be running more ordinary motorcycle tires that have been professionally "shaved". They machine off most of the rubber leaving a lightweight tire behind. This reduces the centrifugal forces as well as it reduces heat build up. This will limit us within the rules to under 250 mph. Again, if we just get there and the bike runs decently, we will be very happy.

From the SCTA web site:
"The straightaway speed course, conditions permitting, will be an overall distance of at least seven miles. If
conditions permit, there will be two courses available. A “short” course of three miles for vehicles under 175
MPH, and a “long” course of five miles for vehicles over 175 MPH. The “short” course will consist of an
approach of one mile from the starting line and three timing traps placed as follows: the first trap timing
the entire second mile, the second trap timing the first quarter-mile of the third mile and a
third trap timing the entire third mile."

teddillard
01 September 2010, 0731
So, the Buckeye Bullet 2.5 (http://blog.buckeyebullet.com/)- is that a motorcycle? I'm baffled by the classes on the salt speed stuff. Is there some site that tells all about it?

dice23
01 September 2010, 0813
i ca'nt wait for this head to head run! kc bike will smoke them motors every time they turn it up! berube or husted? bet on dennis's big old motor that bill seems to think wont run the number....to heavy? ask scotty what it looks like from behind? but i'm sure bill will find a way to cry about it's not safe or the wrong color or the motors to big or the the tire is to big or spiderman cant ride the bike or you have to many batteries....they wont make up for the extra weight...huh? just turn it up bill,and when the brushes blow to pieces....shawn will have whoooooped your ass! boy this is fun!

electriKAT
01 September 2010, 1040
So, the Buckeye Bullet 2.5 (http://blog.buckeyebullet.com/)- is that a motorcycle? I'm baffled by the classes on the salt speed stuff. Is there some site that tells all about it?

Just google "bonneville salt flats" and you'll find tons of stuff.

teddillard
03 September 2010, 1135
Just google "bonneville salt flats" and you'll find tons of stuff.

wow, that "google" thing is really super cool! how come I nevers new about it afores... :p

FWIW, I did find this- http://www.saltflats.com/ The Utah Salt Flats Racing Association- as well as this: http://www.roadsters.com/lsr/ with the "LSR sanctioning bodies" page here: http://www.roadsters.com/lsr/#Sanction Apparently the World land speed record runs are officiated by the FIA — Federation International de L'Automobile. http://www.fia.com/ ...specifically, this for the LSR http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/records/Pages/Introduction.aspx

Finally, the groups that encompass electric: http://www.fia.com/en-GB/sport/records/appendixb/Pages/CategoryA.aspx

eracebike.com
03 September 2010, 1340
Ted with a little practice you will get a handle on that "google" thing.... Im not sure why you were looking at "car" stuff but the FIA is "automobiles" and the FIM is "motorcycles" if you want info on motorcycle stuff you can look here www.scta-bni.org or you can also look here http://www.speedtrialsbybub.com/2010_event/index-2010.html

teddillard
03 September 2010, 1410
oh yeah, I'm getting better by the minute... I just used it to find this link for the FIM, actually:
http://www.fim-live.com/en/

'course, I was looking at the FIA because I didn't know any better. :p

OOOH, look at what I found! http://tinyurl.com/3abhdu2

teddillard
04 September 2010, 0535
Cool, further clarifications on this thread:
http://www.elmoto.net/showthread.php?181-Electric-Motorcycle-Sets-New-Land-Speed-Record-of-173-MPH

As for my take on this, ehem, discussion, see my blog post.
http://evmc2.wordpress.com/2010/09/04/electric-drag-racing-the-good-the-bad/

Bill and the Killacycle was, back in '06, - you were what got me going down this primrose path in the first place. (Don't worry, I won't tell my wife it was you...) I'll never forget seeing this video for the first time:

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Tony Coiro
04 September 2010, 0539
I'm disappointed I missed the opportunity but this would've been a prime opportunity to bust this out:

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=bonneville+salt+flats

:D (Ted, if you haven't seen this website before, I bet you'll get a kick out of it.)

teddillard
04 September 2010, 0543
oh dood that has so been done. :D

(see my prev post)

Tony Coiro
04 September 2010, 0546
Haha, well played Ted.

dice23
05 September 2010, 1843
cool video of some meltdown in the traps.imagine when he turns it up?

electriKAT
07 October 2010, 1510
Now that this episode has aired, can we get some of the juicy details from Shawn?