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    awesome find EVGator - those articles kinda paint a picture of a silent war that is going on...
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    I watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" also. Interesting piece. As protomech said, the EV1 was quite an advanced vehicle for the time, more so than I thought.

    While there were conspiracy theories galore bandied about in the film, I think in the end GM just decided they couldn't make money on the EV1 on a large scale. I mean, if some of those theories were true, we wouldn't have electric cars today. The roundup and crushing of the leased cars was bizarre, and sad, but I can see management-think doing that to support GM's arguments against California's law, to keep too many questions and counterarguments from occurring as a result of the operating vehicles, to avoid supporting them long-term, and to generally close the book on them and make all those pesky e-greenies go away . It's too bad, though; again as proto stated, there seemed to be less drastic ways to exit the e-car business.

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    I have a original of the EV1 cut away in my office. It is a good conversation
    starter. One of our companies Vice presidents liked it so much he now has one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CliC View Post
    I watched "Who Killed the Electric Car" also. Interesting piece. As protomech said, the EV1 was quite an advanced vehicle for the time, more so than I thought.

    While there were conspiracy theories galore bandied about in the film, I think in the end GM just decided they couldn't make money on the EV1 on a large scale. I mean, if some of those theories were true, we wouldn't have electric cars today. The roundup and crushing of the leased cars was bizarre, and sad, but I can see management-think doing that to support GM's arguments against California's law, to keep too many questions and counterarguments from occurring as a result of the operating vehicles, to avoid supporting them long-term, and to generally close the book on them and make all those pesky e-greenies go away . It's too bad, though; again as proto stated, there seemed to be less drastic ways to exit the e-car business.
    Okay - i watched who killed the electric car too - im still mad about the whole thing - conspiracy?, let me tell you a story about the GM plant here in oklahoma city...

    first of all prior to the EV1 was the Beretta, a little car with a powerful punch on the floor board, i know because i owned a Beretta GT. it was developed in the same room as the Corvette and the Camaro - when it was first built only the employees where allowed to drive them. people here in oklahoma city saw the little car and was asking to purchase them, so much so that GM started to produce them. every year the car didnt change much, but was discontinued in 1996, mine was a 1985 - they announce that there was no profit in the car is why they discontinued the production of the Beretta. Funny they didnt recall those cars and have them crushed, so why did they crush all of those EV1's - i'll tell you why, because GM screwed up by perfecting the electric car, as perfect as a electric car could be of that time... and certain organizations consider it a cancer that should be stopped before it spread...

    right now in these times, folks like us here at elmoto are now the cancer of big oil, and all i can say "die big oil die" - there is no reason why big oil and the electric car couldnt get along in this world, except the for fact that big oil is just plain greedy...
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    Guys,

    What makes conspiracy theories believable is that they contain lots of factual information. The missing detail in this one is that battery-electric vehicles are more expensive, and less convenient than ICE vehicles. People will not buy them, if the price does not include the cost of wars, pollution, etc.

    The most popular vehicles in America are, and have been for decades, pickup trucks. There is no conspiracy forcing people to buy them. Big steel boxes, full of air, are cheap to produce. The operating expenses are spread out over ten years.

    We are fighting all over the Middle East, and just had the hottest, weirdest, 12 month period ever recorded. Pickups are selling like mad, and Leaf sales are half what they were a year ago. This is not a Machiavellian plot by big business.

    Renault-Nissan looked at data for the last twenty years and saw that small, aero, two-seaters don't sell to the middle class in numbers sufficient to mass produce an battery-electric car. So they took the safe, smart route of producing a five passenger, hatchback, totally conventional looking car, right down to a fake valve cover under the hood. One that wouldn't scare away soccer moms, and was just affordable by the middle class. Then the world economy imploded and the market for that car vanished overnight.

    GM looked at the same data, and went with a plug-in hybrid instead. Despite the lousy economy, and the right-wing attacking it as socialist tree hugging, they have been selling in reasonable numbers.

    Renault-Nissan's bet was a bit more daring, and lost. GM's bet may still pay off. Neither of these companies cares about saving the world. They just want to keep selling transportation to people. They know better than their customers that their days of selling ICE vehicles are numbered.
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    completely right Warren - i can sit here and say that big oil is responsible for all our troubles, but the truth is as the documentary describes, but a emphasis should be highlighted that the consumer is the most guilty of this whole situation, the very same folks who scream about paying for gas, but will be willing to go out and buy a gas guzzling pickup. i call those folks sheep...

    even though we here may own a pick up, we also own a EV and do not have to scream as loud...

    in a way i feel like im doing my part, which i keep telling myself. the real reason i built a EV, is not because of high gas prices, or because of the smog problem, but simply because i find it more of a challenge to simply build something very interesting.

    although i have to say i feel like im becoming a activist... its just a shame the the transportation circle is the way it is, especially when i can see that the light at the end of the tunnel is very bright and that the transportation needs can be a lot better than it is...
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    "Renault-Nissan's bet was a bit more daring, and lost."

    Lost?
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    Allen,

    "i can see that the light at the end of the tunnel is very bright"

    Is this the one you see as your brain shuts down and you die, or a train coming? :-)

    Warren at 64, wishing I had a dollar for every light people saw at the end of a tunnel.

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    "Lost?"

    As in 36 Leafs sitting at one dealer in Virginia. Five of those are 2011's, now discounted $3,356, with no takers. It would have been 37, but my neighbor leased a 2012. He is in a VERY exclusive club. The only electric car owner near one of America's richest college towns.

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    yup i do see a light at the end of the tunnel, its the lights of EV's - the lithium battery is starting to change things, and when the price goes down then there will be a larger crowd of EVs - i just feel that we are at the slow but sure begining of the EV's, even though its taken since the early 1900's to get here, things are changing - but if your right and the lights of the end of the tunnel are train lights, then we are most certainly doomed...

    but im pretty sure life will go on no matter what. but me i will be riding my EV motorcycle with that silly EV grin on...
    The Greatest thing about a EV, is the Song of the Terrain...

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