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yankee1919
05 March 2012, 1122
Hello All,

I plan to attend Infineon Raceway this May 2012, any one else?

Tony

Skeezmour
05 March 2012, 1310
I should be down there in a support capacity again. I'll be the one wearing "Electricity Kicks Gas" shirt if its not to chilly.

jazclrint
05 March 2012, 1838
I want to be. Does that count?

yankee1919
06 March 2012, 1518
Jazclrint,
Send me a pic I will glue it on a cardboard panel at least you will be there metaphorically speaking.:)
Tony

Zachary Rubin
30 April 2012, 1211
I'll be there!

Tony I see you're from LA, want to set up a SoCal carpool?

liveforphysics
30 April 2012, 1415
I will be there. :-)

screamingflea
30 April 2012, 1423
We'll be announced in the line up but won't be attending =( Our hope is to hit up Miller.

Nuts & Volts
30 April 2012, 1429
Looks like a tiny grid again this year. http://www.egrandprix.com/news.php?id=275

Be-EV and VT wont be there as stated. And it sounds like the eSuperstock is a bunch of Zero S's maybe. So only Brammo and Lightning will be putting down high speeds.

DRZ400
30 April 2012, 1533
Will any of this be televised? Speed Channel?

Biff
30 April 2012, 2111
I wonder how Lightning's preparations are going, last year they focused on IOM and the timeline was too tight to make Infineon and IOM. If Zero shows with 4bikes they will be more than 50% of the grid, and since all the bikes will be the same it should make for great racing.

Is anyone with a 2012 Zero in the San Francisco area interested in donating it to a racer for the weekend?

-ryan

Square Wave
01 May 2012, 0541
3094
Why can't I go? I really, really want to!

screamingflea
01 May 2012, 0646
That's how the whole team feels, SW. Hey, maybe you can join us if we do Miller.

harlan
01 May 2012, 0718
I'll be there. Even if the grid is light, it's always a fun time.

Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2

liveforphysics
01 May 2012, 1008
I'll be there. Even if the grid is light, it's always a fun time.

Sent from my Desire HD using Tapatalk 2

Bring a Zero S for the spec class if you can! I think it would be pretty easy to find a pro rider to race it. :-)

yankee1919
02 May 2012, 0954
Sorry guys, have to move some stuff to storage.:(

Driving from L.A. to San Jose is 8 hours one way.

yankee1919
02 May 2012, 1000
Wait a minute, just mapped it. 5 hours? Maybe it is possible?

Be at storage 7am unload.
Back on the road 7:30am + 5 hours =12:30pm (+/- pit stop for fiance)

Can I do this? Is it Crazy? I need some words of inspiration!!!!

yankee1919
02 May 2012, 1008
Man I don't think it is possible. To many miles not enough time.

liveforphysics
02 May 2012, 1050
Do it! Do it! Do it! It's racing! It should always be priority #1. :-)

yankee1919
03 May 2012, 1213
Thanks Liveforphysics,

Too many miles not enough time and have family commitments.
Thanks for the boost.
Tony
Los Angeles.

__Tango
03 May 2012, 2352
I'll be there again this year, helping with photo duties. I'll actually be there friday and sunday (not bringing my bike this year though). Hope to see some folks there.

Zachary Rubin
04 May 2012, 1250
Tony
Los Angeles.

do0o it.
stop by oxnard, pick me up, i'll show you my motorcycle build, and we'll split gas :)

<-needs a partner in crime

liveforphysics
04 May 2012, 1651
I'm here now. :-) I love the racetrack. Gene (Skeezmor) brought his electric dual sport. Zero and Brammo and Lightning are here so far.

DaveAK
04 May 2012, 1800
Piss poor planning on my part. I'm heading to Chicago next week. Could have called in to Infineon on the way. Damn it. :mad:

caferace
04 May 2012, 2336
I'm there/here. FWIW, I also have a new (and pretty long) interview in this weeks MotoPod with Michael Czysz.

http://www.motopodcast.com/episode/episode-317-enough-already

-jim

__Tango
05 May 2012, 1012
I'm here now. :-) I love the racetrack. Gene (Skeezmor) brought his electric dual sport. Zero and Brammo and Lightning are here so far.

Hey LFP, it was nice to finally meet you yesterday, even if I couldn't remember your real name and called you macgyver (from your ability to create chargers from a box of bisquick). the zeros look great, and it looks like you're going to have a great race. I'll be back tomorrow so I'll see you then!

Deadly Silent Ninja
05 May 2012, 1738
I heard Steve Atlas had a bad accident, but Brammo has already fixed the bike and found another rider. Atlas will be back in a "few weeks." Steve Rapp, who rode Mission last year, is the new rider according to Brammo.
I also hear that the Lightning bike is looking really good, too. This is getting exciting...

liveforphysics
05 May 2012, 2016
Sadly, Steve Rapp had a crash. Broken wrist, maybe more.
My sympathy goes out to you Steve, you're a hell of a good rider, I wish you a speedy recovery.

teddillard
06 May 2012, 0259
David Herron posted some updates on the Brammo team, and the two Steves.
http://www.examiner.com/article/steve-rapp-rides-and-wrecks-for-brammo-ttxgp-qualifying-round-at-infineon?utm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter
re Brammo:
http://www.electricracenews.com/2012/05/update-on-brammos-presence-at-2012.html
...and Atlas' crash:
http://www.examiner.com/article/steve-atlas-hurt-during-practice-round-during-ttxgp-race-at-infineon-raceway

Deadly Silent Ninja
06 May 2012, 0817
That's a bad blow for Brammo, especially with the unveiling of the Empulse R on the 8th.

It's also bad for the race itself. Brammo Icon was the only team that could try to give Lightning a real race. The Zeros were more than 20 seconds behind...

TTXGP definitely needs more participants.

electriKAT
07 May 2012, 1404
I read through the news section on the TTXGP website. It's a shame about Brammo. I am curious if anyone who was there happened to see the bike in action and could comment on the way it ran with the transmission?

Nuts & Volts
07 May 2012, 1428
I read through the news section on the TTXGP website. It's a shame about Brammo. I am curious if anyone who was there happened to see the bike in action and could comment on the way it ran with the transmission?

Brammo's race machine doesn't use a transmission. The HV motor in the race bike doesn't benefit from a tranny as much as a LV motor used in the street bike (Brian W said this in some article I read over the weekend).

liveforphysics
07 May 2012, 1438
That's a bad blow for Brammo, especially with the unveiling of the Empulse R on the 8th.

It's also bad for the race itself. Brammo Icon was the only team that could try to give Lightning a real race. The Zeros were more than 20 seconds behind...

TTXGP definitely needs more participants.

Zero took 1st 2nd 3rd overall for the weekend. Lightning wasn't able to make either bike finish both races, they each won one and broke one, leaving them each with a 1st and a DNF. Zeros all finished both races, making them the points winner and overall winner for this TTXGP.

liveforphysics
08 May 2012, 1100
https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-JWlq7h6SFz0/T6dhmh1yL_I/AAAAAAAABIw/cPpJvBh5DMA/s800/IMG_20120506_104523.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-W3u13k9PgVA/T6dfjvWSfmI/AAAAAAAABII/9nk4-lJxDPw/s800/IMG_20120506_170650.jpg

https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-myTvw01k7_4/T6lYB8FbZrI/AAAAAAAABMQ/p1ExCDjDXCM/s800/IMG_20120506_104641.jpg

This is what I like to see. A swept podium. :-) Woot!!!

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-OvMwRSw40yI/T6lYGrpZP3I/AAAAAAAABNA/7SHj-SEytn4/s800/IMG_20120506_173927.jpg

__Tango
13 May 2012, 0941
Hey LFP, here are some that i was able to take to prove that you were actually there. :)

It was great to finally meet you. You guys did great out there. :)

http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-10_58_58-292-ttxgp_infineon_2012-alextang.jpg?w=500 (http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-10_58_58-292-ttxgp_infineon_2012-alextang.jpg)

http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-10_59_18-294-ttxgp_infineon_2012-alextang.jpg?w=500 (http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-10_59_18-294-ttxgp_infineon_2012-alextang.jpg)


http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-11_22_09-477-ttxgp_infineon_2012-alextang.jpg?w=500 (http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-11_22_09-477-ttxgp_infineon_2012-alextang.jpg)

http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-17_36_51-181-ttxgp_infineon-alextang.jpg?w=500
(http://electriceptor.files.wordpress.com/2012/05/2012_05_06-17_36_51-181-ttxgp_infineon-alextang.jpg)

Deadly Silent Ninja
13 May 2012, 1747
With all the hype around Lighting and Brammo, it's very refreshing to see Zero winning the whole thing. :cool:

Warren
14 May 2012, 0720
I am really sorry that Brian and Thad, of MotoElectra, weren't there. I guarantee that Thad would have come in a close second behind the Lightning bikes, in both races, for the win overall.

protomech
14 May 2012, 1055
With all the hype around Lighting and Brammo, it's very refreshing to see Zero winning the whole thing. :cool:

Can you imagine how anti-climatic the race would have been without the supersport bikes? Brammo out before race begins, Lightning bikes each DNF one race.

I can appreciate the technical innovations that the race bikes are bringing, but it's always seemed to me like they would benefit from more time in testing. Brammo was largely a standout last year, but they've started this race season with a very rocky start.

liveforphysics
14 May 2012, 1208
I am really sorry that Brian and Thad, of MotoElectra, weren't there. I guarantee that Thad would have come in a close second behind the Lightning bikes, in both races, for the win overall.


He should have come then.

That's the thing about racing, if you don't make the effort to do it, you're not going to win anything. If you don't get proper testing in before the race, it's also going to be really hard to win. I watched Thad's bike DNF from a smoked motor at Laguna Seca last year. There are no guarantee's of anything in racing, otherwise it would be called "predetermined-outcomeing" instead of racing, and you could do it from the comfort of your home computer keyboard rather than the track. ;-)

lugnut
14 May 2012, 1258
I watched Thad's bike DNF from a smoked motor at Laguna Seca last year.

As I recall, they fixed the electric Norton and Thad raced to a 4th place finish (ttxgp points) in that race.

lugnut
14 May 2012, 2013
With all the hype around Lighting and Brammo, it's very refreshing to see Zero winning the whole thing. :cool:

Lightning won both races. Zero won zero races.

Electric Cowboy
14 May 2012, 2019
"predetermined-outcomeing"

lmao

teddillard
15 May 2012, 0255
He should have come then.

That's the thing about racing, if you don't make the effort to do it, you're not going to win anything. If you don't get proper testing in before the race, it's also going to be really hard to win. I watched Thad's bike DNF from a smoked motor at Laguna Seca last year. There are no guarantee's of anything in racing, otherwise it would be called "predetermined-outcomeing" instead of racing, and you could do it from the comfort of your home computer keyboard rather than the track. ;-)

Not sure what you're intending from this comment, but I've got to stand up for these guys. They hit more NA races than any other team. They were the ones who made history by racing, and winning against a gas bike field, before Chip Yates. They're totally privately backed, and basically got to the end of the line, financially. For what they started with, they're the single team that gets my highest respect - they're true "privateers" - the closest thing to me and my buddies getting together and fielding a bike against all odds. No factory, no backing, no plans to produce some exotic drivetrain. Houses, families and day-jobs.

The fact that they had to call it quits was a bitter pill for all of them, Thad, as well as Brian and the rest of the team, to swallow... and they, in my humble opinion, got used pretty poorly by the TTXGP after all was said and done. It is pretty clear TTXGP is more interested in the big-time factory backed teams than the little guy trying to bootstrap a team... again, my opinion.

I'm very sad to see them missing from the field. My congratulations to Brian and the team, and they earned their place in history. Respect where due.

lugnut
15 May 2012, 0845
Here's a video of one of the Lightning bikes. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvaJ4MXPqP0

liveforphysics
15 May 2012, 1347
Not sure what you're intending from this comment, but I've got to stand up for these guys. They hit more NA races than any other team. They were the ones who made history by racing, and winning against a gas bike field, before Chip Yates. They're totally privately backed, and basically got to the end of the line, financially. For what they started with, they're the single team that gets my highest respect - they're true "privateers" - the closest thing to me and my buddies getting together and fielding a bike against all odds. No factory, no backing, no plans to produce some exotic drivetrain. Houses, families and day-jobs.

The fact that they had to call it quits was a bitter pill for all of them, Thad, as well as Brian and the rest of the team, to swallow... and they, in my humble opinion, got used pretty poorly by the TTXGP after all was said and done. It is pretty clear TTXGP is more interested in the big-time factory backed teams than the little guy trying to bootstrap a team... again, my opinion.

I'm very sad to see them missing from the field. My congratulations to Brian and the team, and they earned their place in history. Respect where due.


I love the guys, and I love everyone making any electric racing stuff (or commuting stuff).

I just didn't like the statement that if they had shown up, they would have won. That's just not how racing works. All anyone can do is show up as best prepared as they can get, and try to do the best they can. I've lost races I qualified #1 in because of $0.05 sensors failing randomly, hitting an oily patch nobody noticed, all manor of random mechanical failures, or even things that aren't your own fault, like other vehicles crashing into you from behind etc.

I love Thad's racing and Eli's racing and the Aussie guy's doing Voltron and Ripperton, and everyone else racing. Just trying to say you don't automatically get a win if you show up with something fast, it has to finish as well. As a guy who has DNF'd about 50% of all my personal racing efforts, I can say this with more certainty that most folks. :-)

teddillard
15 May 2012, 1516
...ah, got it. Thanks for clarifying.

Electric Cowboy
15 May 2012, 1621
It is pretty clear TTXGP is more interested in the big-time factory backed teams than the little guy trying to bootstrap a team... again, my opinion.


Respect where due.

I havent been around the block too many times, but I am a little guy, a very enthusiastic little guy, and I have felt a nice warm welcome to the TTXGP from Rupal and Azhar along with the officials, and ALL the race teams involved.

I am sure every organization prefers to have people who can afford to pay them and has to cater to people who can afford to pay and keep the organization going, but I doubt any organization would ignore good marketing, and aggressive self motivation to support the cause. Pinning failure squarely on any organization 'in my opinion' is a mistake. Like you said, respect where due, without TTXGP we would not be posting here, they started it all. I have heard a lot of people badmouthing them lately, but they still go to the races, and ride the bikes that wouldn't be around without them. Maybe I'm just too green to be jaded, but just my 2 cents.

teddillard
15 May 2012, 1720
That's great, and I wish you the best. Not sure what you mean by "pinning failure", but whatever. I just know Brian, have had several conversations with him during the race seasons and after his decision to pass on this year, and I have nothing but respect for the guy and what they were able to do.

If I interpret what you've said correctly, yes, I'd think they'd embrace a team that sacrificed a huge amount of time and money over two seasons - actually, with no other team equaling that effort - for the marketing caché alone... thus my dismay.

And for the record, they did not "start it all", in spite of what I feel is ill-advised marketing posturing on their part.

Electric Cowboy
15 May 2012, 2128
Not sure what you mean by "pinning failure", but whatever.

I felt like you were saying that the reason those guys couldn't race was basically the fault of the TTXGP, that's all.

And I guess I should clarify that people like Betti Luciano started it all, but I guess I consider TTXGP to be the first because it got so much more international attention and attendance, in my opinion, than the FIA did way back in the day when it first started to push the envelope. I really don't know all that much about the early early days of the electric bikes, If I spoke Italian, I'm sure I could learn more. I'm all for learning.

I wish there was a school for all of this like there is for gas bikes.

teddillard
16 May 2012, 0145
That's not what I was saying... but enough said.

Ditto on the Italian, but here's a bunch of work I've done on the Betti story: http://evmc2.wordpress.com/?s=betti