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Those are very impressive numbers. Congratulations to their team. At the risk of fueling any fire, isn't Kent's Omega class record (176 I believe), and top speed of 179 still faster? Please enlighten me.
Shawn
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Published on EVWorld on Sept 2, 2010
PAPILLION, NE (2 September 2010) Lightning Motorcycles, winners of the first North American TTXGP race series for electric motorcycles, today broke its own land speed records at Bonneville Salt Flats set just two days ago.
On August 31, 2010, the bike set a new Fédération Internationale de Motocyclisme (FIM) and American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) land speed record of 162 mph. On September 1, the team then achieved a top speed of 166.3 mph.
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Those are very impressive numbers. Congratulations to their team. At the risk of fueling any fire, isn't Kent's Omega class record (176 I believe), and top speed of 179 still faster? Please enlighten me.
Shawn
You are correct. There are at least 4 major land speed sanctioning bodies that include motorcycles:Originally Posted by Lawlessind
SCTA, ECTA, FIM, and AMA.
Lightning just set an AMA and an FIM electric motorcycle land speed record. (I think both, but may be just one or the other. Both sanctioning bodies were timing the BUB event.) Kent holds the SCTA electric motorcycle record of 179 MPH. Different sanctioning body. Different records. _Slightly_ different rules.
There are also many record classes within each sanctioning body. Both Kent's bike and the Lightning are classified as "Special Construction, Partial Streamlining, Omega" class (APS-Omega) in the SCTA. I would assume that the Lightning and the MotoCzysz are both classified in the equivalent FIM and AMA class to the SCTA ASP-Omega class. Neither has 500 produced. Both have cowling where you can see the rider's profile. Neither has a side car. etc.
There are 1000's of classes for LSR. Lots of displacement classes and classes like "V-twin" Not many electric classes at the moment, however. No voltage classes.Electrics are classed with steam, and other alternative drive technologies in the SCTA. No separate electric class.
Bill D.
As a tech inspector and rules advisory committee member for the SCTA I can tell you that we will not be adding additional classes for electric vehicles and probably will never add "voltage" classes
Kent Riches
Very helpful information... Does each sanctioning body have it's own set of classes? I'm also still trying to figure out if the Buckeye Bullet 2.5 is a two-wheeled vehicle, does anyone know?You are correct. There are at least 4 major land speed sanctioning bodies that include motorcycles:
SCTA, ECTA, FIM, and AMA.
Lightning just set an AMA and an FIM electric motorcycle land speed record. (I think both, but may be just one or the other. Both sanctioning bodies were timing the BUB event.) Kent holds the SCTA electric motorcycle record of 179 MPH. Different sanctioning body. Different records. _Slightly_ different rules.
There are also many record classes within each sanctioning body. Both Kent's bike and the Lightning are classified as "Special Construction, Partial Streamlining, Omega" class (APS-Omega) in the SCTA. I would assume that the Lightning and the MotoCzysz are both classified in the equivalent FIM and AMA class to the SCTA ASP-Omega class. Neither has 500 produced. Both have cowling where you can see the rider's profile. Neither has a side car. etc.
There are 1000's of classes for LSR. Lots of displacement classes and classes like "V-twin" Not many electric classes at the moment, however. No voltage classes.
Bill D.
The BB2.5 is a 4 wheel car.... it is a redesigned version of the Hydrogen BB2 car to straight battery thus BB2.5
The ECTA and DRLA rules mimic almost to the word to the SCTA rules.... When Denis Manning started his race event he went to the AMA for sanctioning to gain access to cheaper event insurance from K&K... he modified the SCTA rules for his event to kinda align them for the racers sake... He has also modified the FIM rules to some extent for his event but there are great differences in rules on a few specific classes.... but in a nutshell the rules are pretty darn close
Kent Riches
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Thanks for the clarifications. Now here is another one for you. I have never run on the salt ,(except here in Ohio in January), but given the information that I have seen, top speeds on salt are generally a bit slower than they would be on concrete. However, the flats are at altitude and the air is thinner, (good for EV's), so is it a wash? Does someone have a calculator out there that adjusts required hp for a top speed based on altitude.
Can an EV go faster at the salt flats or at sea level on concrete?
This one's not exactly what you're after but will show the differing drag power at differing altitudes (and latitudes!).Does someone have a calculator out there that adjusts required hp for a top speed based on altitude.
Perhaps more interesting to you fast boys though is that its real purpose is for calculating front / rear aero lift.
Rob
Mr. Lawless
I’m not sure what data you are referring to as far as your "information" comparison of salt to concrete.... the fastest sit on motorcycle at Maxton is 263, At loring its 250 something and I believe the Texas mile is less than 260.... and at el-mirage is one of my bikes at 252.... The fastest sit on bike at Bonneville is 272... The same comparisons can be made for 3 and 4 wheeled vehicles.... I believe the fastest electric motorcycle on concrete is 174 and the fastest pass at Bonneville is 179.... It looks to me like Bonneville is still “the fastest place on earth” All of the sanctioning bodies post there records on their web sites for your own research
Magic
The only way to create lift is to have a fairly flat surface like a wing... a round surface can have forces in several axis
Kent
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