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    Tesla Petition - sign before July 5

    Go here to sign the Tesla direct dealership petition: https://petitions.whitehouse.gov/pet...tates/bFN7NHQR

    Just do it.

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    Hi Ted,

    I didn't know that there is restrictions on Teslas sold to different states?

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    Here's a pretty accurate description of what's going on, from the way I understand it:
    http://tv.msnbc.com/2013/06/28/tesla...rs-of-america/

    "Steve Chapman of the Chicago Tribune put the problem more simply: ”It’s about established businesses leveraging government power to enrich themselves.”


    Probably a more balanced story from the WSJ:
    http://online.wsj.com/article/SB1000...814606098.html
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    So what is the problem with Tesla selling through established dealers like Brammo and Zero do? Do they believe that established auto dealers won't understand the cars enough to service and maintain them, or is it that they can not find any existing franchised auto dealers that want to, or are permitted by their franchises, to sell another brand of car?
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    Simplest explanation I've seen: "How do you sell the future if your business depends on the present?" (Unnamed Tesla exec)

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    Richard230,
    You bring up an interesting point, how can a dealership that sells cars that run on gas/diesel sell an electric vehicle in the same showroom? For dealerships that have been around almost 100 years and made a lot of money won't exactly change the status quo.

    Where is the next change really going to happen? Small independent shops/dealers?

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    How could the federal government achieve the goals set out in the petition? The only way I can see that is passing federal legislation prohibiting states from preventing automobile manufacturers from owning dealerships, or stripping away their power to place limits (in CA, for example a factory owned store can't be placed within 10 square miles of a privately owned store).

    That would open the doors for the vertical monopolies those laws were meant to protect against.

    The states that have these laws not to protect good-old-boy dealers, but to encourage local private enterprise to develop. Factory owned stores can operate at a loss, by shifting what would normally be dealer level profit to the factory. That gives them an unbeatable business edge over locally owned stores. If I owned a car company, and made all the profit I needed to cover both my dealer operations and manufacturing design in my wholesale price, I could sell it retail in my stores at a loss and any privately owned retail stores couldn't stay in business if they matched the prices in my stores, and would lose customers to my stores if they priced in a viable profit margin.

    Another driving factor for some of these laws is that by shifting the profit from the store to the factory, less federal, state and local tax revenues are generated. If a foreign auto manufacturer takes the profit at the factory and runs their dealers in other states at a loss, there's no revenue tax generated/paid by the dealership they own on US soil. This was one of the driving reasons behind California's legislation, and I'm sure it was the same in other states that prohibit or limit factory owned auto retailers.

    For all the folks that complain about companies like WalMart coming in and driving out locally owned businesses, I don't think trying to open the automotive industry to the same sort of thing is something that would get through national legislation easily. With the federal government now a stakeholder in major auto manufacturers it might be easier to push through legislation that would help them crush private businesses around the country.
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