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    A first?

    They might want to fact check their press releases. :-)

    “We are extremely pleased to be given the opportunity to be the first team to compete with ICE machines in a pure road race event anywhere in the world."

    http://www.bikesportnews.com/news-de...P&newsid=11192

    They are at least 4 years too late.

    http://www.examiner.com/article/team...inst-gas-bikes

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    David Herron looked at their claim here. Gist is that this is perhaps the first internationally-sanctioned road race, so for a very narrow definition they may be "first" in this particular case.

    http://www.electricracenews.com/2014...-electric.html

    But yeah, they're obviously not anywhere close to first in general, and it's easy to draw the impression that they're claiming this from the PR.
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    “We are extremely pleased to be given the opportunity to be the first team to compete with ICE machines in a pure road race event anywhere in the world."

    I think the distinction is the 'pure road race event'. It has a very different meaning here than the US. i.e. it is on roads
    Also, David's look at the claims is on the whole fair, but I don't think Pike's Peak can really be referred to as a race, more of a time trial.

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    Search for "pure road race" turned this up - seems the usage is as Rob said. So maybe misleading, but accurate - why Darville were careful in phrasing the claim. (Although, they should have known us 'mericuns would be scratching our heads.)

    "Josh Brookes will make his pure road racing debut at the International North West 200 in May..."

    http://www.motorcycle-usa.com/498/15...-West-200.aspx


    Anyway, taking on ICE bikes in races of those lengths speaks to how far battery tech has come. Pretty significant, regardless of press release details.
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    Ok, Mr. Cranky..

    I don't think it diminishes motoelectra or anyone else. I didn't read that into it. I don't think they would either.

    You don't hear a lot about motoelectra because, well, Brian doesn't have a company with a PR dept behind his bike.

    I meant it was another significant step forward for electric motorcycles. It was what, 2 years ago the 100 mph barrier was broken at IOM? Now they're talking gas bike speeds, something like 25% faster. That's huge progress in a very short time. The whole community should be proud of what people are achieving.
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    I was trying to find more info on the bikes they're entering. Not much out there, but I found the site for Darville racing, which is apparently based on the Isle of Man. I have to admit, when I first read their statement I thought it was BS too, but now that I speak better IOMese (thanks to Rob) I get what they meant. Seems to me they weren't leaving out history, they were just speaking the local lingo.
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    OK, sucked back in. Doh!

    A couple of things Cranky Ted ..

    "boo. I wonder if they're just ignorant, or they don't care."
    ... It was you who were ignorant of the term 'pure / real road racing'

    "The first hit is this: https://www.facebook.com/DunlopDynasty
    So I guess the next guy that does a road race and runs Dunlops can claim that he's the first REALLY pure road racing electric motorcycle. Or is that a different category, (with the "REALLY" added)."
    ... The Dunlop Dynasty refers to the Irish family of road racers which includes the late Joey Dunlop, 26 times TT winner and 5 times F1 World Champion. Nothing to do with tyres!

    "I've done a bit more searching and it seems a phrase that's pretty specific to the IOM."
    ... umm, A dozen or so pure road race circuits in Northern Ireland and Eire, others in England, Wales, Germany, Netherlands, Czech Republic, New Zealand etc.

    I don't think that Darvill are themselves guilty of deliberately trying to claim false qdos, more a mis-reporting from those who should know better. Dave Herrons opening paragraph ... "Darvill Racing has announced (on Friday) a historic agreement in which they will be the first electrically powered motorcycle racing team to compete directly against gasoline powered bikes in a regular road race." actually changes the key word!

    Here the reporter has got the wrong end of the stick also, but the team seem clearer what its about. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pLgPQ8Z_WyQ

    Anyway, good luck to them, and if I bump into Darvill, I'll be sure to mention MotoElectra and those that have gone before.

    p.s. Noah, I will incorporate IOMese into err.. IOMese. Is that a self fulfilling prophecy?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ted Dillard View Post
    So I guess the next guy that does a road race and runs Dunlops can claim..
    The reference to Dunlop isn't anything to do with the tyre brand, the Dunlops are a family from Northern Ireland who are in (at least) their third generation of motorcycle racers.
    Many of them have died on track but they're well established as the highest acclaimed and most famous names in Road Racing.
    Some links:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joey_Dunlop
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Dunlop
    http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/sp...-29324646.html
    http://racenewsandphotography.com/rn...racing-season/


    ...as to Road Racing itself - the IoM TT is certainly the highest profile worldwide, although the discipline of motorcycle road racing itself is almost exclusive to Ireland. There's a national series here every year the highlights of which are the NorthWest200(NW200), Kells, Skerries and the Ulster GP(Dundrod). There's usually a race every two weeks during the season, and about 14 races total.

    The races run any given day include (or used to, it's a while since I've followed it): Supersports (600cc IL4, 750cc Twins), Superbike (1l IL4, 1200cc Twins), 400's (250 2T, 400cc IL4, 650cc Twins), Classics, Pre-injection, Open masters (anything goes).

    Here's a few clips from the last years season that captures the nature of things pretty well:
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cC2NZ3hTJ6k - clips from the UGP and NW200
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSFUSmXrv90 - onboard at Tandragee (Smaller roads, more typical of the average circuit).

    The roads in use are public roads and are closed by consent of the local council for periods of the weekend to facilitate practice and racing.
    Marshalling is all done by volunteers, and any video available of the smaller rounds is all amateur as only the big races are televised.

    It's a great sport to watch but you'd have to be stone mad to do it yourself!!

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    Here you go Ted:

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    Just to clear up, what Darvill are saying is correct.

    The 'roads' and road racing in the UK refers to actual racing on the roads, as previously mentioned the IOM (which has a number of roads circuits), England, Wales and Mainly Ireland have road racing circuits.

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