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    the Hydrogen Highway is not cheap

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    I have been watching that station being built for the past 5 years and it still isn't complete.
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    A stop on the California Hydrogen Highway has finally been completed after years of construction at a cost of millions of dollars. And it is located where hydrogen-powered vehicles are unlikely to travel - across from Alice's Restaurant, located in the Santa Cruz Mountains, about 50 miles south of San Francisco. While the station may now be completed there appears to be no one to operate it, likely because they can't find anyone that can sleep long enough for a customer to arrive.
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    This guy doesn't believe that hydrogen-powered vehicles have much of a future: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b88v-WvqzeQ
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    It doesn't.

    Not in light duty roles at least.
    Some potential in agri, freight and shipping alright but I'd be surprised if there weren't better options by the time it's actually anything close to being cost effective.

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    The only way it will be feasible is if solar can be used to produce the H2 in a small generator that people would have in their garages. Other wise, its just cheaper to have an electric vehicle. But then you risk exploding your house!
    The infrastructure required to build is way too cost inhibitive.
    And who paid for the H2 station across from Alice's?? Someone with some very deeeeep pockets!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevo View Post
    The only way it will be feasible is if solar can be used to produce the H2 in a small generator that people would have in their garages. Other wise, its just cheaper to have an electric vehicle. But then you risk exploding your house!
    The infrastructure required to build is way too cost inhibitive.
    And who paid for the H2 station across from Alice's?? Someone with some very deeeeep pockets!!
    My guess is that the Bay Area Air Resources Board paid for the installation with taxpayer and road fee money.

    I don't see being able to produce H2 at home if for no other reason than it has to be super-cooled and highly compressed for storage. That is not a job for 120V 15 amp home garage outlets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard230 View Post
    My guess is that the Bay Area Air Resources Board paid for the installation with taxpayer and road fee money.

    I don't see being able to produce H2 at home if for no other reason than it has to be super-cooled and highly compressed for storage. That is not a job for 120V 15 amp home garage outlets.
    I agree... it wont be cost effective either. Unless some brilliant engineer finds a cheap efficient way to convert natural gas to H2.
    You can charge an all electric vehicle with the current infrastructure, and make it even more resilient with the addition of solar panels to your home, but building a huge network of H2 filling stations is out of touch with reality. Politicians love spending money that they dont have, dont they?!!
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    I thought ex governor Arrrrrnold Schwarzenegger was the one pushing this during his term in office.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EVcycle View Post
    I thought ex governor Arrrrrnold Schwarzenegger was the one pushing this during his term in office.
    He was and had started the big ball rolling slowly down a gentle slope. Right now H2 momentum seems to be the result of environmental regulators hoping that H2 usage will help to reduce air pollution slightly and a couple of vehicle and equipment manufacturers jumping onboard the bandwagon, mostly with their own money. If the government is still into building H2 stations with taxpayer money, I haven't heard much about it. I think the emphasis for both the federal and state government grants is still on EV infrastructure. You certainly get more bang for your buck with electrons.
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