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    OCC electric dragbike spy photos REDUX

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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    Last weekend I went to Vermont with my family. On the way back we drove past Orange County Choppers, so we had to stop by. The retail floor is huge. They've got at least 25 bikes on display in addition to the T-shirts and coffee mugs. I think my favorite bike is the September 11 FDNY bike. They are much more impressive (and bigger!) in person than they are on TV.

    So there I am admiring the bikes when my sister-in-law notices they've got a viewing window set up that allows you to see into the shop from the retail side. It was a Sunday, so no one was working, but you could see the current projects under construction. And there on the first bench beside the window was a half built electric drag bike! I think most EV guys were disappointed with the Siemens bike. But this one looks like it's going to be a rocket. For one thing, the motor is HUGE! Can anyone tell what type it is from the pictures? And the battery box has an A123 logo on it. You can't really see it in the pictures, but it's there. BTW, the window has a screen over it so people in the shop cannot see through to the retail side. That's why the pictures are dark and a bit fuzzy. But trust me, that empty box says A123 on it. I have a feeling this bike will give Killacycle a run for the money.

    They had signs up in the shop stating that there will be new episodes of Orange County Choppers coming in August. I am sure they're filming the drag bike episode right now. I cannot wait to see how it turns out. If anyone finds a schedule, or more details, please post it here. This is going to be exciting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmotomaster
    That motor is a monster. There was no one there to ask about it?

    I just sent an inquiry over to OCC. Hopefully I can get some more info about it.

    Btw: American Chopper: Senior vs Junior Premiering on Thursday, Aug 12 at 9PM ET/PT on TLC
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    I had no idea they were located in upstate NY- just assumed CA.
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    I had no idea they were located in upstate NY- just assumed CA.

    Yeah, D&D motors is in upstate NY also. Wonder if they found each other.
    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    On a Sunday afternoon the only staff was a girl selling OCC branded schwag.

    I hope they're not upset about the pictures. I realize it's not an iPhone 4, but still

    As for Senior vs Junior, I guess this will be one of Senior's bikes. I wonder if Junior is working on his own electric drag bike? How cool would that be?!?
    Quote Originally Posted by Justing
    so one of the guys at OCC is a EV nut, not sure what his name is but he's on elmoto. as for that motor it sort of looks like a UQM. cant wait to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoeRocket
    Nice spy shots ElectriKAT.
    Would it be odd for A123 to sponsor more than one drag bike? Wonder if Dube knows anything.
    Quote Originally Posted by racermike39
    I wonder if Vinnie from OCC is building a bike for Jeff. Jeff is the owner/builder of the Preditor electric drag bike I met at the Power of DC in 2009. I think Jeff is based out of New York. I went to Jeff's website and found this:

    http://www.youtube.com/user/JEFFDISINGER#p/a/u/1/OPtoOdDruOg

    Vinnie may have "sparked" an interest in the project as a result of the speed channel deal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GUFF
    That is a monster motor. I don't think it will give Killacycle a run for it money however. Last time I checked KC had two 9 inch custom made DC motors with a series/parallel switching 300+VDC2,000A Zilla controller. A single motor that large may give them some competition in the first 1/4 to 1/2 of the track but after that I would wager KC will dust them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
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    so one of the guys at OCC is a EV nut, not sure what his name is but he's on elmoto. as for that motor it sort of looks like a UQM. cant wait to see. J.
    Really? I'd love to know who that is. Maybe he's afraid to make his identity known for fear of being hounded by all of us wannabes

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    Nice spy shots ElectriKAT.
    Would it be odd for A123 to sponsor more than one drag bike? Wonder if Dube knows anything.
    Thanks. It was fortuitous that we happened to stop by on that day.

    I'm not sure there is any reason for A123 to care about sponsoring more than one bike. They'd probably get more publicity from one episode of OCC than they get from Killacycle. Not to say Killacycle isn't impressive, but they don't have the same audience that OCC gets. I was thinking the same thing about Bill Dube. I sent an email to a friend who knows Bill. I haven't heard back yet, but I'll post here if he has any comments.

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    I wonder if Vinnie from OCC is building a bike for Jeff. Jeff is the owner/builder of the Preditor electric drag bike I met at the Power of DC in 2009. I think Jeff is based out of New York.

    Vinnie may have "sparked" an interest in the project as a result of the speed channel deal.
    I have not met Jeff, but I emailed him a few times. His bike is pretty sick. I did not realize that Jeff knew Vinnie from OCC. Vinnie is the electrician that wires up most of the gas bikes, right? Is it possible that Vinnie is the person Justin is referring to above?

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    That is a monster motor. I don't think it will give Killacycle a run for it money however. Last time I checked KC had two 9 inch custom made DC motors with a series/parallel switching 300+VDC2,000A Zilla controller. A single motor that large may give them some competition in the first 1/4 to 1/2 of the track but after that I would wager KC will dust them.
    I think you are mistaken about the motors. Here is the description of the motors from the Killacycle website:

    > Motors: Two DC series motors @ 87 lbs (40 kg) each.

    It does not say what brand or model they are, but if you look up the size/weight of a typical DC motor, the 8" motors weigh over 100lbs and the 9" weigh about 150lbs. Killacycle's are closer to the weight of a 6.7". But whatever they're using, I'd love to see these two bikes match up!
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    I think you are mistaken about the motors. Here is the description of the motors from the Killacycle website:

    > Motors: Two DC series motors @ 87 lbs (40 kg) each.

    It does not say what brand or model they are, but if you look up the size/weight of a typical DC motor, the 8" motors weigh over 100lbs and the 9" weigh about 150lbs. Killacycle's are closer to the weight of a 6.7". But whatever they're using, I'd love to see these two bikes match up!
    Yep, good catch. It's dual 6.7" DC brushed motors! Yeah, it would be a blast to see them both run against one another!
    Quote Originally Posted by racermike39
    We could all be way off base and OCC could be building Killacycle II.....

    Yes, Vinnie is/was the electrician at OCC, and in my opinion the most talented person and fabricator out of the whole bunch. I haven't watched the show (or any TV) in a couple of years, so I have no idea what Vinnie's role is now or even if he is associated with OCC anymore. I began to hate the show when it changed from being about bike building to all the other nonsense.
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    Quote Originally Posted by elmotomaster
    Just got a response from OCC. They wrote:

    Thank you for your e-mail. We are very sorry but we can't talk about the bike until after the unveil on the TV show.
    Take care and have a great day.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    Shocker! At least they aren't upset about the pictures. So no info on when this episode will air?
    Quote Originally Posted by Justing
    Just been watching the show, its Jim Quin hes the ev nut over there at occ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    It's just a rumor at this point, but I heard from someone "in the know" that the bike belongs to Shawn Lawless. I'm waiting for confirmation on this.
    Quote Originally Posted by magicsmoke
    I would say you're right electriKAT. Check out this link ..

    http://blog.aaronequipment.com/post/Ite28099s-Official!-Aaron-Equipment-and-AEK-Packaging-have-teamed-up-with-Orange-County-Choppers!.aspx

    I'd say it's the same bike alright!
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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    That's it! The date on that post is July 16th, so it's already been made public. I'll have to follow along there and also see what turns up during Sturgis.

    It looks like Sr has lost a LOT of weight. He looks really good.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Confirmed.

    Nice Photos.

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    Quote Originally Posted by racermike39
    Hey Shawn.
    Mike here. I met you at Power of DC in 2009. I have the green CBR600F3.
    Welcome and nice to hear from you. It's exciting to see what you have in the works!
    I look forward to following the progress of your venture.
    I am sure I can speak for the rest of the gang that we are honored to have you as a part of the Elmoto forum.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Thanks Mike. Nice CBR. As you would guess, I can't share much information till the show airs but I don't think it's a secret that our goal is to be the quickest and fastest battery powered EV around.

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    Confirmed.

    Nice Photos.

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    Hey Shawn, welcome to elmoto. I am glad no one is upset about me letting the cat out of the bag a little. Do you have any idea when your episode will air? I am going to program like four TIVOs to make sure I don't miss it
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    our goal is to be the quickest and fastest battery powered EV around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Thanks,

    I guess I should qualify my statement and say that I doubt we will touch the Buckeye Bullet's 321 MPH top speed but I'm not sure the car is still around anyway.

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    Thanks,

    I guess I should qualify my statement and say that I doubt we will touch the Buckeye Bullet's 321 MPH top speed but I'm not sure the car is still around anyway.

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    haha yea cant touch the buckeyes! They are modifying the fuel cell bullet 2 this year. They are going for 400 mph soon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillaCycle
    Apparently they ran the bike on Wednesday June 28th in on a strip in NY state. I heard that it ran 9's at 155 mph. I heard a rumor that they are going to run it again today (Friday).

    The "spy" photos shown in this thread must have been taken later than the photos they showed on the public web page. The side bracing was not on the frame in the public photos, but is quite evident in the "spy" photos. I'm glad they put this bracing on. When I saw the bike without the bracing, I was very concerned that the frame would not be strong enough for the massive chain forces. Now I can see that they did their homework.

    With an ICE machine, you have a lot of examples of successful competitors to copy from. You can look at the fastest bikes and see what they have in common, so you know what works. The optimal design is pretty much what you see going down the track. Your only hope is to figure out some single new idea that will give you an edge, because you know that anything obviously different has likely been tried and did not work better.

    With an electric, you are on the "bleeding edge" and have to figure a lot of things out for yourself from scratch. To go faster than anyone else, you have to do something different in some way, but what you do different, must be better, not worse. It is too expensive (and time-consuming) to try ideas out at random on the track. With an electric, you must compare your ideas on paper first, to pick out the ones that are the most likely to work. There is still a large element of luck in picking which ideas you are going to try out first, and which ideas work best together.

    When these folks started talking about going directly into the 7's at 200 mph their first time to the track with the bike, I suspected that they didn't understand the "bleeding edge" nature of electric drag racing. Instead of copying the fastest bike, and making a few clever changes, they instead made a bike that was a very different in many ways. This strategy can sometimes pay off, but it is high risk. This is because each large change will make a large difference in performance. The element of luck then enters in. If you have raced for awhile, you know that any new and innovative change you try is more likely to reduce performance than increase performance. (At least this is the way it has happened for me.) If you make a bunch of large changes all at once, then unless you are very lucky, the performance will decrease instead of increase.

    With all the large differences in the OCC bike from the KillaCycle, they will have to be lucky to have made all the right choices to end up with a really fast bike the first time out, or even the second time out. Each time they go back to the shop to make modifications, the bike will get faster. I'm going to guess that it will take several trips to the track and then back to the shop to figure out which of the large changes is working for them, and which of them is holding them back.

    I'm certain, knowing how skilled and hard-working Shawn Lawless is, that they will get the bike going really fast, but it will not happen immediately.
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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    Hey Bill

    Welcome. Thanks for contributing to this thread. It's great to get input from the "electric motorcycle GOD" Everything you say makes perfect sense. But it looks like you may have some competition on your hands.

    I assume you mean they ran the bike on JULY 28th?? I took those photos on Sunday July 18th.

    Cheers from the electriKAT to the Electrocat
    Quote Originally Posted by KillaCycle
    I really WANT the competition. It generates interest and encourages more folks to build EV racing machines.

    The folks that are building the OCC bike are working hard and putting some serious money into the project. It has always been my goal to attract folks with this level of skill and resources to EV racing.

    I could easy be mistaken, but the OCC bike looks to me (from the pictures only) like it will have trouble getting very deep into the 8's. Again, I have only seen a few grainy photos, and I don't know any of the details, so my impressions could be wrong. Perhaps they have some super-secret, high voltage, high wattage controller. Maybe the bike is a lot lighter than it appears to be in the photos. Maybe they have figured out some very nifty traction control. Maybe they have a super-slick aerodynamic cowling.

    What I assume is that they have a Zilla controller, just like the one I have in the KillaCycle. If this is the case, then this will limit them to about the same wattage as the KillaCycle. With what appears to be a heavier bike, that same wattage will push it slower. If, however, they have two Zillas, somehow connected to the one motor, this could be able to offset the added weight of the bike. I don't know how they would parallel two Zillas into one motor, however.

    Again, I have little information, just a fuzzy picture of the bike under construction. All I can make are wild guesses.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Gestalt
    as with most electrics that really get a lot of media time it will probably be an unimaginative electric let down. just like the one the made for siemens, it was a joke.

    you want my idea for a tv show? maybe not but I think they should get a bunch of interweb ev forum goons of the highest standing to compete against each other building all kinds of new vehicles. prices for production would probably be in the same range as that "ultimate buildoff" show on discovery channel. shows like this seem to go on for at least three seasons and that would be sh!t ton of funded prototyping for a couple years. legends could be made.

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    Quote Originally Posted by electriKAT
    I have to disagree. The Siemens bike was built by the OCC staff, and I don't think they had much EV experience. They even used lead acid batteries. But this bike is being built by someone with a TON of experience. If Bill's statement about running 9's on it's first time out is true, I can't wait to see what it's capable of once they get it dialed.
    Quote Originally Posted by mpipes
    After looking at the equipment website, it seems they either already have a suitable controller on the shelf or the capability to build a custom one fairly easily.

    I think the bigger issue is going to be getting the current out of the batteries, ie: fitting enough Ah into the frame to overcome limited C rating, in order to drive that "600HP" motor.
    Quote Originally Posted by KillaCycle
    I would be stunned if they built a custom controller. Building a prototype controller of that wattage takes a skilled engineering team many months. It is not impossible, but there are a limited number of folks than can do this sort of work, and I probably would have heard about such a controller build.

    The cells they are using are the most powerful that are commercially available. You can pull at a C rate of more than 50. They produce over 3000 W/kg. Judging from the size of the battery area (and rumors I have heard) they have a larger pack than we are running in the KillaCycle (same cells.) They are using my pack design, just with more cells. Since they are likely to be running the same controller, more cells in front of it probably won't increase the output wattage remarkably. The modest increase in HP from the added cells probably won't offset the added weight of the additional cells. It will likely be an even trade in HP to weight.

    Also, putting a larger motor behind the controller won't change the controller HP output. It is just more weight to drag with you down the track.

    If they have some create solution that increases the controller HP (beyond what is available through the largest controller commercially available for drag racing, the Zilla,) then they could make some impressive numbers with the large motor and large battery pack they are running. If they are running a Zilla, and nothing extra, then the large motor and large battery pack are added weight with no benefit.

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    After looking at the equipment website, it seems they either already have a suitable controller on the shelf or the capability to build a custom one fairly easily.

    I think the bigger issue is going to be getting the current out of the batteries, ie: fitting enough Ah into the frame to overcome limited C rating, in order to drive that "600HP" motor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dice23
    bill you seem awfully worried about what there doing? you guy's been running the killacycle? how many events you been at this year? would love to see you guys come up in the north east sometime? home as i recall? would love to get picture along side of the bike with mine. i think we are the only like chassis bikes out there?
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    bill you seem awfully worried about what there doing? you guy's been running the killacycle? how many events you been at this year? would love to see you guys come up in the north east sometime? home as i recall? would love to get picture along side of the bike with mine. i think we are the only like chassis bikes out there?
    We run the KillaCycle at Bandimere (our local track) pretty often. We ran it for PBS Nova a couple of weeks ago. We will run it for Pinks All Out in about a week. We have been doing a bit of testing lately as well, generally during test & tunes.

    I think that folks would rather see it going faster, than to just plain see it, so we spend our budget and time on improving performance rather than putting on performances out of town.

    It costs between $3000 and $5000 for us to race the KillaCycle at an out-of-town event. We are always happy to run the bike at an event if someone else pays the bill. Our budget is tight, (and our spare time is limited) so we spend it improving the KillaCycle and building the new streamliner, the Killajoule.

    I'm of course interested in what the OCC folks are doing. From the limited photos I've seen and third-hand information I have heard, I don't think I need to be extremely "worried", however. It is a long way from the 9's to the 7's. It is also a long way from 150 mph to 200 mph. Generally, folks spend awhile moving through the 8's on the way to the 7's. Some things just take time. Hiring nine obstetricians won't get you a baby in a month.

    What sort of ET/mph does your bike do?
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    Quote Originally Posted by larryrose11
    From what Bill is saying, it sounds like they need to hire Otmar over at Cafe Electric to get two, 2K zillas in parallel.
    There other option in high power drives are freight train equipment. Thi8s would be a majoe engineering work. There are some pretty high voltages (like in the kV range), and equipment not made to package in something as small as a bike
    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Bill,

    Folks have been telling me I need to catch up with the El Moto site. Thanks for the comments. As we have discussed before, the greatest lure of EV racing is for me is that the "science" has not been perfected yet. Seems I learn more about this sport every day. The real valuable lessons are never easy. OCC has done a fantastic job of putting together this machine, regardless of the extremely tight TV driven schedule. I have worked both places and believe me, this is not a West Coast hack shop. These guys know how to get the job done right, especially if that includes tapping expert resources to help answer questions that they may have not been posed with in the past. What is real cool about this project for myself and in my opinion for them as well is that it doesn't end with the build. This is not a show bike that is taken off the rack, ridden a few times, and put on a show circuit or in a corporate office. This is a real race bike! It's work has just begun. We had to stop for a few weeks just as we were getting started for the Sturgis event but it is time well wasted. Think about where we were a few years ago when no one at any of the tracks we visited with our ev bike had ever heard of such a thing. After Sturgis they are going to know about them now at least a bit more. Who knows....If we can get a heads up race with KC maybe a lot more!
    I have no comment for the 9 OB's and a baby; I have no time in my life for can't do-ers and excuse makers. The world is full of them. There is no time schedule short or long on doing great things. We went from the earth to the surface of the moon in less than 10 years. In the 40 years since we can't even agree that we need to go back. We won WW2 and conquered the world in 4 years. If you told me today that we could win in tiny Afghanistan given 4 more I would probably take it.

    The purpose of this project was to build the quickest and fastest electric bike in the world.
    That means going quicker than Killacycle's 7.82 seconds in the 1/4 mile AND faster than Ken Riches 179 MPH top speed. Not next year, or next decade, or when I get AC motors, or when batteries are better, etc, etc, etc..........but now!


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    ...this is not a West Coast hack shop.
    SECOND best quote!

    Guys, great discussion, this is why ElMoto rocks- well, this and Richard's tip about bleeding brakes. Thanks for keeping it challenging, but gentlemanly... and I can't wait to see the results when the rubber hits the road!
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    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Thanks. OCC has announced that they are "officially"unveiling the bike at Sturgis Dragway Thursday August 12 at 10:30 am. It has been there since early this week. I'm not sure if it is already on display but Paul Sr., Skeeter, and Rick will be there with it on Thurs. Admission is free.

    Shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by KillaCycle
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    This is a real race bike! It's work has just begun. We had to stop for a few weeks just as we were getting started for the Sturgis event but it is time well wasted. Think about where we were a few years ago when no one at any of the tracks we visited with our ev bike had ever heard of such a thing. After Sturgis they are going to know about them now at least a bit more. Who knows....If we can get a heads up race with KC maybe a lot more!
    I have no comment for the 9 OB's and a baby; I have no time in my life for can't do-ers and excuse makers.



    The purpose of this project was to build the quickest and fastest electric bike in the world.
    That means going quicker than Killacycle's 7.82 seconds in the 1/4 mile AND faster than Ken Riches 179 MPH top speed. Not next year, or next decade, or when I get AC motors, or when batteries are better, etc, etc, etc..........but now!

    Shawn
    My comment wasn't at all to say that it can't be done, but that there is a limit to how short the schedule can be, no matter how intense the effort. It takes many test runs at the track with corresponding modifications back at the shop, to get the top performance out of a drag race vehicle. Just dialing in the gearing can take three or four test sessions. There are steps that have to occur in sequence.

    If your shop has its own private drag strip, that might speed up the process quite a bit, however.

    During any complicated development project, you will take "wrong turns". Some folks will stick with the original path and beat on it with resources to "make it work." This is like increasing your bets on a bad poker hand. It is better to recognize a bad hand, fold, cut your losses, and re-deal the cards. You can't get emotionally attached to a specific design solution (or a poker hand.)

    We completely redesigned the KillaCycle several years ago and just kept the best parts. We are going to do it again this Winter. We know what we did "wrong" and the smart choice is to re-build completely. You folks may have to get that drastic too.

    You folks should come out here to Bandimere for a head-to-head electric drag race. The traction is the very best on the planet, and there is 20% less air to push out of your way. (They temperature-control the first 200 feet of the track!) Your bike will go faster at Bandimere than it will anywhere else. (It is also a beautiful track for filming. It is carved into the side of a mountain!)
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    Hi all,

    I can solve the mystery of the motor. It's from Dennis Berube's Electric S-10 drag racing truck. Dennis gave it to Shawn, who gave it to OCC to use for the project.

    You can see the motor from this link

    http://teva2.com/berubes10.html

    It's a 13 inch GE forklift motor that Dennis had rebuilt to race in his truck weighing in at 200 pounds

    I had the pleasure to experience the power of the motor firsthand when I rode shotgun in the truck with Dennis during a burnout contest a couple years ago.

    He's building a new motor for the truck now. So it's good to see it has a new home.

    Shawn can correct any misinformation about this.

    Chip
    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Bill,

    I know all about wrong turns. The biggest waste of time in my racing adventures was an attempt to bring NEDRA forward and a belief that it could be done. I believe that your results were similar. I attempted to cure pimples on a leprosy infested poker hand. THANK GOD we are past that. I hope we can move fwd together. You know the respect I have for your program.

    I wish I had my own track. As it is I have an 8 hr drive each way to NY for recorded testing. 3500 miles last week alone. I feel like Dave Dudley.

    I'm in for heads up race. Neutral track. Live NHRA TV Audience on a Sunday afternoon. What do you think?

    Shawn
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    The biggest waste of time in my racing adventures was an attempt to bring NEDRA forward and a belief that it could be done. Shawn
    Interesting comment......


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    I'm in for heads up race. Neutral track. Live NHRA TV Audience on a Sunday afternoon. What do you think?

    Shawn
    OK bitches. Where can we buy tickets??!!

    Yes, Ed, it's all becoming clear to me now... Funny, I've been trying to get a local Boston chapter of the EAA going, starting to get the same sinking feeling.
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    I wish I had my own track. As it is I have an 8 hr drive each way to NY for recorded testing
    Shawn
    Sounds to me like you need to find a local small airport and rent some time there until you build your own track.
    (Heh, kicking the hornets nest... )
    Quote Originally Posted by dice23
    i think a head to head race with kc and shawn will only help in more people wanting to get into the ev action. like myself, i have two years now under my belt.i thought i would be flying by now,and i have stuggled financially and emotionally. this has been the toughest challenge i have invested in.without the aid of some very dedicated friends helping through all of my learning i would have packed it in by now. my project has less than $5000 of my own money in it! thats not much more than the zilla most run! i was on a 10 second pass when the bike stood straight up and down,nobody was more surprised than me. in two years i have come this far, by shawn kicking my ass with agnus i have been driven to just keep going.after talking with shawn and dennis i realized how long they took to get here! i will never be able to afford to catch bill or shawn,but i will be out there running hard as i can trying to keep the faith for us small guys! i love my new ev world and as long as i can afford it i will race every weekend!....just because! i have poked at bill a few times, but i have nothing but love for the kc team. i just stand behind the lawless camp as i call him a friend.dennis berube has been a big help in understanding the ev world as it is. there has to be some real poking if anybody is going to get it done. **** talking is half the fun.....no? just wish i could back mine up better..lol. so...who's going to sturgis?
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    I had the pleasure to experience the power of the motor firsthand when I rode shotgun in the truck with Dennis during a burnout contest a couple years ago.

    Chip
    Hey Chip - Welcome to the forum. I hope you find it informative.

    For those that don't know, Chip is the organizer of PoDC, and heavily involved with NEDRA. He's still driving a Ford Escort he converted back in the early 90's was it? Please correct me if I'm wrong.

    John
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    i think a head to head race with kc and shawn will only help in more people wanting to get into the ev action.
    Shawn - have you named this beast yet?
    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Hi Chip! Good to see you here. (For those who don't know Chip runs a great EV event at PODC in Hagerstown every year. ) The motor is indeed from Dennis and is 13" dia. It's a little beefier than 200 lbs. though. This is a different tack for us actually. As you know multiple smaller motors have been in most of my machines. The 12 PMDC Lemcos in OJ was the most beautifully complex. 96 motor brushes in one dragster! This has been one interesting project already and the machine hasn't even been to my shop yet. Hope to see you soon.

    Shawn

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    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    Actually there is a great track right up the street but there has been no time for testing here yet.

    Shawn
    Quote Originally Posted by lawlessind
    so...who's going to sturgis?

    I will be at Sturgis Dragway Thursday at 10:00am.

    Shawn
    Quote Originally Posted by dice23
    NHRA live head to head race sounds to good to be true! this could put the EV world on the map in a big way! hope bill will show up? i will be up and running and post pics and results for this weekend on my local track. best of luck to ya shawn! set that track on fire brother!

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    Thanks to Mike, this thread has been reconstructed. Whoo-hoo!

    Shawn Lawless posted some pictures of the unveiling at Sturgis last week, in a different thread, and I wanted to repost them here.

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    The Lawless Drag Bike is now the World's Quickest EV after yesterday's visit to Quaker City Raceway. The 200 MPH mark is next.
    Stay Tuned.......

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    how fast how fast!!!!???
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    7.77 seconds @ 165 MPH. .78 seconds to the 6's..........

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